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Steam Question

05/29/2006 3:43 PM

Can you settle a disagreement for me here? Two Instrument Techs. Two opinions. One of us can't be right. Which is it?

The question is about installing a pressure sensing instrument in a 120# steam line. We both agree that the proper way to do it is to use a pipe connection utilizing a condensation trap (U tube or pigtail) to protect the sensitive instrument from the elevated temperature of the steam. But, in a hypothetical installation where the condensate trap is impractical, my friend claims that simply placing the instrument at the end of about 6 ft of pipe is enough to eliminate the heat transfer problem. The instrument would be too far away from the steam header for the steam to have much effect. This assumes that there will be no low point in the line for condensate to accumulate. In other words, the impulse line is completely vertical from the steam header to the instrument. You may also assume that the impulse line is 1/2" and could be either tubing or pipe.

I, on the other hand, claim that due to the properties of a gas, and the expansion ratio of water to steam, the temperature at the instrument, which is at the tip top of the vertical column of gas, will be very close to that of the steam in the 120# header.

Which one of us is full of hot air?

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#1

steam?

05/29/2006 10:46 PM

You are correct.There must be a trap to islolate the pressure sensor from the high temp. of the steam.If the temperature was lower at the tap, the pressure would have to drop, and this is not possible in a closed system such as you describe.

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Re:steam?

05/30/2006 7:39 AM

Why don't you just use a pressure sensor that can handle the high temperature? (something made for steam) There are many to choose from. I use SMAR pressure and temperature transmitters in boiler rooms that routinely see 140F ambient temps to measure superheated 600psi steam and 150psi and even 1psi. Make sure to compensate for head pressure if the sensing line will fill up with condensate.

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steam pressure sensor

05/30/2006 8:05 AM

Hi, I am not sure that I understand precisly what you are doing, but it seems to me that if you are trying to measure steam pressure with a sensor that cannot take the heat and one is suggesting that a long tube be used to take the sensor away from the measuring point - this makes sense to me. As far as I can determine there is no steam flow in the 6 ft pipe leading from the measuring point to the sensor, therefore if the pipe is thin compared to its length I would expect that no the heating would not be a problem. The pressure will be faithfully transmitted but the heat would not be because the steam is not flowing in the measurement pipe. In practice it coule be just air which is trapped in the thin pipe.

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Re:steam pressure sensor

05/30/2006 11:34 AM

Steam by its nature is a GAS, which means that it will expand to occupy whatever volume is available. All gasses do this, which is why we have an atmosphere of Nitrogen, Oxygen, and a lot of other stuff- it's called the partial pressure principle where the pressure of each gas is based on the % of the mix and the total pressure of the mix. The tube will fill with steam, which will heat the air (and the condensate from heat transfer will fall to the main) until the air is at the same temperature as the steam. The ultimate "blend" of steam/air in the tube will be based on the mix- 99.999+% steam and almost no air- in the entire system. See partial pressure above.

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Steam Question - timing

05/30/2006 10:38 PM

Given enough time for the system to reach equilibrium, the sensor will read the pressure at the end of the tube. Give the liklihood that the conditions at the end of the tube will be different for a while due to temperature differences, condensation, fluid flow etc., the response time may not be fast enough...

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