What makes an "Ideal Design" for a rural-based Philippine Industrial Plant?

Do you have an unlimited quantity of Coconut and Rice products? If you do your energy ratios are off and I can help. Please let me know more about quantities.

Mike

Thanks Mike. Granting that Client's information that supply of Rice Hull & Coconut Husk is unlimited, what would be the correct Energy Ratios?

Please accept that alot of information will need to be exchanged but I feel that given your quantities that your Bio fuel could off-set 80% or more of your utility needs. Would you consider gasification of all Bio products?

Mike

Excuse my ignorance. But what do you mean by "gasification of all Bio products"? Given the facts of the Case as stated above, would such Technology be cheaper and cleaner than Fossil Fuel? Has this Technology been tested in the size of our Target Client?

The short answer is yes on both accounts.

My e mail address is miketheboilerguy@aol.com

Would you mind sending me directly more info on the process and how long your operating season is etc?

Respectfully,

Mike

Hello greetings from pvhramani

This is exactly the subject in which we, a small Group, have formed an OPEN SOURCE ENGINEERING DESIGN GROUP:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/blog/97/APIX-Pilot-Plant-Design-Project-Recycling-Wastes

Though we are only at a "beginning stage", the depth of the levels of experiences of the different members is such that we could "deliver" in terms of TIME/ FUNCTIONALITY/ SUSTAINABILITY.

Your Concept of AEM is plausible, feasible and MUST be resorted to, if long term SUSTAINABILITY is of prime concern, wherein our dependence on "fossil fuels" and other depleting resources CANNOT be the answer.

We have certain specific systems under active design.

The essential features in our Concept of APIX-SEP are:

1. The BEST resources are the RENEWABLE PLANT/ VEGETATION resources (both Agro-based and non- agro-based)

2. The per annum per ha growth rates would decide the quanta of material, resources in any Region, and this generally depends on the climatic conditions (mainly the rains)

3. In a tropical region such as Philippines, where the rain fall ranges between 1000 mm to 4000 mm, the average per annum per ha vegetation growth would be in the range 75 tons to 175+ tons. A typical countryside in Philippines shows the vegetation systems we have:

4. Any vegetation resource (naturally grown plants/ weeds/ shrub plants/ all agrowastes) could be converted into TWO mechanically separable portions (the Cellulosic and the "Sludge" portion). And both these could be either COMPLETELY CONVERTED into Energy or alternatively, one part could be converted into Engineered Composites an the other into Energy. There would also be a bonus of the availability of superb Bio-Fertilizers, which could be recycled back to the entire region, creating a ZERO-WASTE ZERO-CARBON BUSINESS MODEL (ZW-ZC-BM).

5. If energy is our main concern, and if we look at an average of 75 tons per annum per ha vegetation growth, the average energy per annum in every 1000 ha vegetation systems would be convertible into a minimum of 2.5 MWe Power. The bonus would be 37, 500 tons of "sludge bio-fertilizer"

5. Once the "systems" are set up, the running costs would be very low (depends on the base rate for the plant wastes and agrowastes + transportation)

If it is felt that the concept of APIX-SEP could be taken up at your end, we could send you COMPLETE DETAILS, for which we would need a minimum mandate (along with certain specific data).

The writer may be contacted through personal mail in CR4, and ALL OF US together would work on a planned manner to submit your Specific Subject NEEDS

Please note: WE ARE AN OPEN SOURCE DESIGN GROUP, and all data would be finally made available through CR4 Open Blog also

pvhramani

Thanks PYHRAMANI for your interest to help us come up with our sought-for "Ideal" Conversion Plan - in the context of the Internet's Open Source Environment.

Interestingly, while you endorse our envisioned AEM Concept (which we put forward in lieu of a Competitor' Offer-to-Supply a BioMass-fired Boiler System with the expectation of significantly bringing down Energy Cost to about 1/30 vs the prospective Client's present cost of Fossil fuel), you appear to promote the combination of "Renewable Plant with Vegetation Resources".

Candidly, apart from the Bankers & Engineers in my Filipino Group (http://delphiasiaadvisors.org) , I personally am not an Energy Economist - nor am I an Energy Engineer. I do not know the Energy Contribution & its corresponding Cost-of-Construction for each component making up my own envisioned AEM Proposal - 33% Solar + 33% Wind + 33% Wave + 1% Spent Earth. For a non-technical person as myself, lumping-up my AEM Proposal with your "Vegetation Resources" (in the context of your APIX Concept) appears even more complicated to an already seeming complex solution as my AEM Proposal.

Academically, we do see great value in your proposition - if Timing is not essential. With a Time-sensitive prospective Client wanting to change-over from Fossil Fuel to Alternative Energy at the soonest possible time, our hurried concern is to come forward with a technically feasible, economically viable "superior" Alternative Solution - ASAP.

Manilaman,

May I reinforce PYHRANANI's APIX-SEP proposal to you and add a study of my own, MESS-SEP, to help fill your requirements for solar, wind, and wave. Both Hari and my projects are in complete accord with one another, his being targeted to the poverty stricken areas of the earth and mine to the other end of the ladder, the more effluent. Since the Philippine nation fits in the middle between the two economic poles, my I suggest you examine both solutions. I may add that I am using some portions of APIX in the MESS project and a scaled up version of certain portions of MESS to include in the HARP-SEProject Houston Area Recycling Proposal - a Sustainability Engineered Project to do exactly what you are proposing for the AEM Concept. Please note that the HARP-SEP website in still in outline state and not ready for its full presentation.

Aside from wind turbines and solar cells, both of which are readily available but costly, I suggest you look into two offerings of Fuel Gasifiers and Solid oxide fuel cell/gas turbine hybrid, http://www.powergeneration.siemens.com/products-solutions-services/products-packages/fuel-cells/sofc-gt-hybrid/ SOFC/GTH, as a solution. You will see that Siemens is a major, well known International Energy Corporation with years of proven technology behind them. Of course, there are many other Corporations in the field, too; I do not work for Siemens and am using them as an example, only. I am a retiree from Parson's Engineering Corporation, Power and Petrochemical Division (SIP), Houston, Texas. I am sure that Siemens and Parsons could be of assistance to you in preparing your bid for the AEM Concept.

I am in hopes, too, that the AEM Concept will be willing to put forth full documentation of the plant in open source. It would benefit the entire world and help delay and reverse global warming. It would also assist in overcoming poverty of those already devastated parts of the world suffering from energy, water, and agricultural resource starvation. Please visit http://www.chtank.org/.

Charles,

01. I visited your personal site (http://www.chtank.org) - and I'm honored to have ever met you in the Internet. Hopefully, we get to meet face-to-face someday. Meanwhile, I invite you to visit my personal site - http://cybermanila.biz. Additionally, kindly visit my business site (http://delphiasiaadvisors.org) - an all-Filipino multi-discipline Consulting Group advocating Clean Environment through the use of Alternative Energy, among others. With no one knowing it all, I am currently making up 2 shortlists of AE Specialiasts - a multi-national Foreign Group and a Filipino Counterpart. With your permission, I would be honored to have you included in my list of Foreign Consultants.

02. YES. Without compromising the identity of our Prospect Client, I do value the concept of "Open Source" - FREE & FULL sharing of knowledge for the Common Good.

03. YES. I plan to source out any and all appropriate, tested, and competitively-priced AE Goods & Services - not available in the Philippines. And I would welcome HELP in the determination and in the implementation of the "Ideal Design" for my Prospect Client's planned conversion. With our pooled "Talents" and "Best-Efforts", it is my hope that I get to have a definitive technically economically verifiable "Concept Paper" ready for presentation - not later than April 15th.

04. Am I dreaming? Regards.

your schedule is realistic and you are not dreaming. I do suggest that you include HARI and Garth among your consultants, too, and you will find Richard Watson a valuable asset, too.

Charles: Along with yours, I certainly would welcome their Insights & Inputs and would be glad to have them listed in my multi-national Foreign Specialists Group - again, only with their permission. I would appreciate if you could challenge Hari, Garth, & Richard to join in our Open Discussion in this Thread - without loosing sight of my "Client's Case" & my "Target Deadline". Ernie

Apparently gas from shit is very powerful if burned in the right furnace.

Chandu has a parabolic pressurecooker thing that would applied to a turbine generate electricity.

All technologies have been devised, though they have not yet been put well together except as commercial batteries in the passive areas we minds are involved in.

I would like it if the company Duracell was a supporter.

All touring shows throw away or give away concert batteries, by the way, and most tours use Duracell.

When in the jam of a failing rocket ignition launch I pulled from the bag a big 6 volt Duracell system I had as back up to achieve launch success for my speech and rocket launch.

Do not continue to use Acronyms for informational transfer language if you want to be understandable to other than your nutclub.

Of course continue to use Acronyms with explainations so international shorthand is observed.

Prior to the last war I looked for Acronyms to identify the lazy info plants.

Manilaman, do not throw out your sun-wind-wave-spent earth entirely. In time, all sources of energy will come to play a role on Earth, that is why God gave them to us. He made us the stewards of the Earth, giving us dominion over all His creatures. We are who will make a better life for all. God is watching us as we work.

Note that man is also the most wasteful of all God's creations. We throw out more than we consume, including energy. The APIX Project will allow us to turn our waste into a very usable form of energy. In addition, the APIX platform allow us to create some usable products to substitute for much of the lumber made from our valuable rain forests. I understand, too, that the Philippine's forest are suffering the same fate of the Amazon forests, being rapidly depleted to satisfy our desire for the beautiful hard woods.

I have suggested to Hari that his APIX project be in modules to facilitate transportation, fabrication, and erection on site. I would suggest the same for your project. By building in scalable modules I cannot see any increase in overall costs and it would, too, allow for a very aesthetic layout of the plant. Rather than being an eye-sore as many industrial complexes tend to be, this plant can be a model of the many related industries that are bound to grow around this abundant energy source. Thus, too, the module concept would allow the creation of a wind turbine farm and a solar cell farm over the top of gasification modules and CHP modules. As for the wave power, I see the costs for this to be almost prohibitive, except for some new concepts which are yet to be proved. The cost for solar and wind are currently high at around US $3.50 - $4.50 per watt, but in time, will come down to the more competitive +/- $0.50 per watt. Meanwhile, the potential of up to 90% efficiency offered by the combined cycle of the CHP system is most inviting. And the savings of landfill and waste disposal alone makes APIX most inviting while offering a sustainable source of low cost energy and valuable by-products.

Hello manilaman

chtank has correctly expressed that the UNIT COST of energy process systems of all "state of the art" technologies would be very prohibitive; but we need to work on them too.

The estimated unit cost of one FULL set up of Energy Conversion APIX unit in 1000 ha based system is of the order of about $2.5 million to $3 million (depending on the regional variations). The entire plants/ machinery/ fabrication/ transportation/ erection and commissioning could be organized, by inducting appropriate vendors and technical advisers/ consultants, each specialized in the appropriate engineering. We at APIX-SEP Group, with chtank as our Consultant, could take it up as an Open Source Design, and we could also organize ourselves for all the follow up Engineering works, which would be on COST+ basis.. As yet, we have not formed any "registered" association or Company, as we are spread across various nations all over the world. Perhaps, we could think of collaborative efforts with you and your company, in some commercially useful manner that would benefit all concerned.

Please note the following:

1. The "sketch design" presented IS realistic and achievable.

2. The Power and Heat energy available through the said project would be: 2.5 MWe continuous electricity generation (24x7, 365), apart from a daily bout of Heat energy (based on CHP) to the extent of mot less than 43 million K-cal.

3. The additional GREEN materials availabilities are: (a) 558.5 Tons of "sludge biofertilizer" per day; (b) about 60 tons of CaCo3 + small quantity Sulfur per day ... all of which have ready markets .. and the biofertilizer could be recycled back into the 1000 ha region.

4. As pointed out in the earlier thread, the project would have a net positive value addition of 110, 000 KWHe (equivalent energy) + $3170

These energy and other deliverables (apart from the GREEN nature of the project, involving TOTAL RECYCLING) may be compared with other projects/ Schemes, and appropriate considerations may be given on the basis of scientifically and financially sound considerations.

Best wishes

pvhramani

Hari,

01. I consider myself fortunate to have met You & Charles in this Discussion Thread and would be honored to have you listed in my select group of AE Foreign Consultants - if you agree. I have visited your site (http://www.karmayog.org) and am awed by your "Bright Mind & Big Heart" - not only for yourself, but for all of humanity. As for myself, I invite you to visit my personal site (http://cybermanila.biz) and a business site (http://www.delphiasiaadvisors.org) where I am presently much active "behind the scene".

02. YES. As very much familiar with the Philippine Countryside, I find your APIX Concept suitable and adaptable to the Philippines in general - and in our prospect Client's PlantSite in particular. But I am concerned about the Project Cost Budget of your proposed APIX-Philippines Project #1 which could cost ranging from U$2.5 to U$3.0 million = P80 million - P150 million in Philippine Peso currency. The present mindset of my prospect Client is simply to quickly convert from its use of Fossil Fuel (36K ltrs of Diesel + 1 million ltrs of Bunker) to BioMass FarmWaste - encouraged by the estimates of a Philippine-based specialist manufacturer (Vendor-A) of BioMass-fired Boiler that PlantSite-delivered cost of FarmWaste inputs would only be about 1/30 of prevailing PlantSite-delivered cost of Bunker & Diesel. Vendor-A quoted the Project Cost to be about P33 million - with their System operational in about 6 months. Am I to justify the Project Cost of our APIX-Philippine Proposal as likely to secure a Bank Loan payable against potential "Carbon Credit" earnings - calculated to be higher than that of Vendor-A? Given Charles' "Modular Approach" to Project Implementation, could we be likewise operational in the same 6-month TimeTable?

03. YES. I'm definitely inclined to pursue this project on a JV Arrangement with You & Charles in whatever formula deemed "fair" for all concerned - IF my Target Client "buys" our Project Concept. I await your own ideas.

04. Regards.

Ernie

Hello Ernie

1. Thank you for the "personal sentiments", and although I normally do not express sentiments in "open forum", your expressions having created a "warmth" warrants that I do reciprocate. Thank you again! Incidentally, Charles, along with Garth and others had initiated the Open Source Design group APIX-SEP, and Rick is an active supporter. Your Vision and feelings for the "mother nation" - Philippines is carved and enshrined in the sites (both personal and business sites), and am reminded of the great poet's verses (forgetting his name!):

"Breathes there the man with soul so dead

Who never to himself has said

This is my own my native land"

While accepting your invitation to be in the "select group of AE Foreign Consultants, I may add that I have now taken up the task of completely devoting all my time/ effort/ mind toward the onerous task of creating SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT through propagating APIX-SEP, and like you said, we all seem to be fortunate to be involved through the great Internet forum, particularly this most Democratic and well organized CR4 forum (thanks to the great works done by Chris and all other CR4 administrators and colleagues)

2. APIX-SEP- Philippines would be the CLEANEST and GREENEST Energy system project in Philippines, as I estimate the per annum per ha vegetation growth rate there as well above 100 tons (green weight), and we have a system of TOTAL RECYCLING AND USE OF RENEWABLE RESOURCES. Please note that the estimated cost is very "conservative", to an extent of nearly 30% on the higher side. The exact costs have to be worked out on the basis of "ground realities" of situations there. Moreover, the project's GREEN quality would not only qualify for "Carbon Credits" (to be worked out), but the automatic availability of Biofertilizers and a few other products as BONUSES would create tremendous Boost to the economic attraction from the Banker's point of view. It is to be reiterated that APIX-SEP is a creative "redesign" of all available and appropriate technologies that would help in propagating ZERO-WASTE ZERO-CARBON Sustainability Engineered Business Model (ZW-ZC-BM)

Although at this time I am not able to exactly predict the "project time period", be assured that given the appropriate resources, we should be able to complete the Project, within SIX months after the FUNDS and other Organizational support are arranged, before which we need to arrive at DEFINITE data and conclusions on the NEEDS and How these are met by the Project. Charles would have to express and present his more experienced views, before any final commitments.

It is hoped that you have been able to visualize the depth and broad nature of APIX-SEP, and do please ask any question for which we would be happy to respond positively

3. As our SEP-APIX Design systems would be in Open Source (MODULES), any ground level activities in which any of our APIX-SEP group members are involved would have to be independent of the Open source, but still being within the Group. However, as already explained, we are still merely an international net based unregistered group. However, these are only "side issues" and could very well be thought about and answered in due course. The immediate NEED is to arrive at the Techno-Economics of the APIX-SEP-Philippines project involvement, and how we should go about in at least arriving at the "paper work" data and analyses.

Best wishes and regards

pvhramani (hari)

(PS: We are all in different time zones and hence, there could be certain "time-lag" between the different presentations through the net, although it is possible coordinate in REAL time too)

Hari:

01. I just came from a meeting with my Delphi Financial Consultants who assured me that technically and quantitatively verifiable "Carbon Credits" are indeed bankable instruments acceptable to pay-out Project Financing Loans. Unfortunately, what slows me down to pursue even faster Prospect # 1 is really more on concerns relative to TechnoEconomics - not Financial.

02. Despite my "good fortune" of easily quickly & freely exchanging views with You & Charles and having become part of APIX-SEP (upon Garth's Invitation), my Filipino Group of "Energy Engineers" are NOT Internet-connected - except my GeoThermal Specialist who happens to be mostly out-of-town/out-of-country - or simply "too busy" to be inter-active. Notwithstanding, I hope to gather together my Filipino Engineering Group within this week - purposely, for me, to hear out their individual & collective Points-of-View relative to your proposed APIX-SEP-Philippines Project. Sadly, I could not even ask them to visit this site. Some are even Computer-Internet illiterate. I would need to use my LapTop and open up this Site - and get them to read our on-going Open Discussion.

03. YES. I do understand that little could be accomplished without clarity on the MONEY Issue. And I have been candidly upfront about my personal financial situation. Nevertheless, I am proceeding on the premise that we are all well-meaning people - confident only, that a Client-approved (if ever) "AE Solution" (hopefully, our APIX-SEP Proposal) would enable me to attract like-minded Investors (Filipino & Foreign) in my envisioned SEC-registered "AlterPower GreEnergy Phils Inc" (AGP). Ultimately in my mind, my envisioned "AGP" would be the "AE Specialist Consulting &/or Contracting" Company - and, whenever needed, linked up with "Delphi Asia Advisors" as the "Consulting Generalist & Financing Specialist" Company. AGP would then operate "on the ground" as the Filipino Counterpart to my select group of Foreign AE Specialists - selectively hired on a Project-to-Project basis.

04. Pending the realization of a properly funded AGP, I'm proceeding on my own limited financial resources - believing that "Rewards" would come about in due time for myself and for my Project Partners. God bless.

Hello Ernie

1. The Carbon Credits that could be traded (bankable) have not been computed, and our friend and member of APIX-SEP, Rick could help us in the same, through his involvements in such projects/ Subjects, worldwide. In general, it is logical to observe that utilization of Renewable resources and Complete Recycling in APIX-SEP would elevate the project systems to very high Carbon Credit levels, through Life Cycle Analyses. Unlike in all other Energy projects, here we are designing process systems that also have lesser Carbon levels in fabrications and operations. For example, Steel/ Iron based systems would be designed to use CASTINGS instead of Fabricated systems (castings use 50+ % recycled Iron/ steels); any use of local vegetation would be without destroying the growth, through application of "Regenerative Recycling", ensuring that all Renewable Resources "self-generate" (the different weeds and grasses, for example are huge in quantity, but never even codified and considered raw materials for any engineering needs - all these would be involved in this "self-generation" processes); as Philippines is endowed with enough rainfall our entire water needs would be obtained through "Rainwater harvest" - yet another Carbon Credit Process; and the entire Bio-fertilizer in the form of "sludge" would be recycled in the region from where we source these vegetation resources, thereby replenishing the soil nutrients; the water that is used also would "flow back" into the fields through the "sludge", recharging the ecological system with water.

2. It would be necessary that your Technical people are fully and correctly appraised of these techno-economic and Environmental aspects, so that their inputs are also made available. And, even though they do not seem to possess Internet/ Computer savvy systems, you could utilize your laptop and knowledge in computer systems to enlighten them too.

3. it is once again wished to reiterate that APIX-SEP along with CHP systems for energy would beat most other present day energy process systems in Cost/ Function/ Economics/ Social/ Environmental benefits.

4. And, now that you have also joined the APIX-SEP group, you have the added advantage of direct involvement in the Energy/ Materials resources development issues that are being addressed through Sustainability Engineered Projects.

Best wishes

hari

(PS: I would be away attending an International Workshop on Sustainable Agriculture/ Impact of Pollutions through Agriculture during this week till Friday, and would be able to interact further only after Friday. Please bear with me for that)

In reading through Manilaman's websites, several thoughts crossed my mind and rather than sending a private message to him, I feel that all would benefit these thoughts.

The Philippines were, at one time a protectorate of the United States, due to gain their full freedom but delayed due to World War II. Now that, like India, the Philippines has gained full self determination within the world community. However, it is clear that close ties remain between the USA and the Philippine Islands. I can make no promises for my nation, but I believe that the USA Department of Energy and the US government could be a source of aid in the projects in the Philippines, especially if Obama were elected President. Also, I believe that the United Nations has made some commitments of support of clean energy and sustainability engineering. One could investigate both of the avenues for material support.

Manilaman's personal projects also includes aiding and teaching the elderly of the Philippines the uses of the computer and the Internet. I wish to invite Manilaman (and his Church which is also involved in supporting the elderly and disabled) to join me in one of my original projects, http://www.deepspace2.org/. I am the principle web master for deepspace and am the author of the business plan for this organization.

In light of my limited computer skills and limited income, one of the early investments that AGP should make is a computer system for the Board of Director's meeting room, connected to the Internet. and with a viewing monitor of at least 19" (480 mm) diagonal LCD. I am going to suggest a machine built my a friend of mine that will provide all the power needed, running with the best Linux Desktop operating system available, and at a very affordable price: http://linpc.us/. Notice, too, please, that Eric offers several systems and also offers additional upgrades and parts. Hopefully, the Philippines still runs on the 60 cycle system rather than 50 cycle.

I have, just this past few weeks, rebuilt my primary computer after my mother board went bad. The rebuild included a new AMD 64 X2 dual core 4000+ CPU, ASUS M2N-E form ATX Mother board, 2 gig DDR2 ram, PCIe video card, Western Digital 120 gig Hard Drive, and a 19" Acer wide screen LCD monitor, all for under US $500.00. I salvaged my ATX mid-tower case, floppy drive, 450 watt power supply, and my old HP Laserrjet 1000 printer. I run on a LAN, so have two additional computers that I used while my primary machine was out of service, one (my wife's) running WIn98se and one Eric sent me for testing Linux Operating systems, My newly rebuilt system is running PCLinuxOS-2007 and I have not re-installed my old Win2000pro Operating System. I find all Microsoft operating systems to be far to unstable for critical needs and will not run it on my primary computer. I do suggest anyone who must remain with Microsoft to visit this link often for security reasons:http://www.us-cert.gov/.

Hari & Charles:

01. I do spend about 10 hrs everyday in the Internet - mostly, participating in select Fora. But, believe it or not, I guess that I barely use up 10% of the full potential of the Computer-cum-Internet. Prior to his transfer to a place nearer his Workplace, I have been dependent mostly upon my youngest Son (Noel - 25 yrs old) who is a graduate of Computer Engineering - and who now works for Navitair/Accenture as a Software Developer specializing in Airline Programs. My one and only Seniors' Computer-Internet Class-of-4 was an attempt on breaking-down the psychic barriers of my Co-Senior friends fearful about Computers & Internet - and after 10-hrs Class Sessions, they happily realized that, indeed, the Internet could be an empowering tool. I did extend the same offer to my Senior Neighbors, but they appear slow to find time for re-Schooling.

02. It is good to know that we have within our APIX Network, Rick who is experienced at quantifying Carbon Credits - and Others with their respective specialties. If at all, my likely contribution, on any and all APIX Network Projects, might be sharing my Insights & Inputs - from a retired Unilever Marketing & Sales Professional with experience in both Consumer & Industrial Markets. I shall not profess to know more.

03. On my end, my Target AGP Technical Partners/Consultants have yet to meet as a group - hopefully within this week. Moreover, I do have very good access to In-Country Specialist Contractor-Vendors - i.e. Casting-cum-Machining Shops, Telecom Tower Steel Fabrication-cum-Galvanizing, CAD-enabled Design-cum-Automation Company, Gas & Oil Drilling Company, etc. As a non-Engineer myself, it is my hope that my Eldest Son [Eric-40 yrs old; a graduate in "Electronics & Communications Engineering" (ECE) with post-graduate degree in "Masters in Technical Management" (MTM); having been a Career Employee with Siemens/ETSI for 12 yrs as CAD Manager, Data Systems Administrator + Company Trainings in Germany; and familiar with Linux] would consider joining AGP - if & when realized.

04. May you find attending the "International Workshop on Sustainable Agriculture" worthwhile. Take care.

I would advise my APIX Network to be guided by the Philippines' DNA website (http://www.cdmdna.emb.gov.ph/cdm/public/cdm-faq.php?main=qa&sub=faq) in calculating the "Carbon Credit" potential earnings of our envisioned APIX-SEP-Philippines Projecta - i.e. Prospect Client # 1 & # 2. I await feedback. Thanks.

Manilaman,

I have taken the time to review the entire website from "home" through the analysis of the resources and energy production potentials of there resources. From what I have concluded is that the government of the Philippines is on a right track and can become a world leader in converting human waste and human activities into enough energy to become a net energy exporter. Thus, the Philippines have the potential to set an example for the whole of tropical Southeast Asia and the area from India to Australia. You must take pride in how well the people of the Philippines are developing. Please continue with the work and help guide us all as stewards of this earth. Who knows, if I live long enough, I might look at teh Philippines as a viable retirement area, too.

Hello manilaman and chtank

I am back at my "desk", having come back from the city (Bhubaneshwar, which is situated 1, 500 Km north east of Bangalore) where I had attended the excellent and useful International Workshop on Agriculture and Environment. The entire groups of delegates and paper presenters (I had also been given an opportunity to present a paper on our APIX theme) were a "galaxy" of Indian Scientists who are engaged in superb works on R & D in subjects relating to "Environmental Impacts due to Wastes/ Pollution and Chemicals/ Pesticides usages". A couple of them had also done research works at the International Rice Research Institute at Manila, Philippines.

Our subject of APIX-SEP has been well received and to many scientists the concept was a revelation. It was a nice feeling when this "august body" of scientists appreciated our Definition of Sustainable Development.There were two Scientists (one from Chicago, US; the other from India) who have promised to interact with us (APIX-SEP) to support us in EIA (Environment Impact Assessment) and Carbon Credits potentials - and they were also appraised of the Philippines project idea. I shall be interacting with them soon (next week), and would also request them (as well as other scientists) to join our APIX-SEP group. There was one representative from a magazine (DOWN-TO-EARTH), who wishes to follow all our activities and actions/ plans.

This is a "quick record" of my interaction results at the Workshop. And it was clear that APIX-SEP Philippines could get the "tag" of "Sustainably Engineered Project" for which an initial EIA would be the best procedure.

Would come back again on our immediate and short term plans on APIX-SEP Philippines in the next couple of days.

pvhramani

Hari, Charles, et. al.

01. Congratulations!!! When I started this Discussion Thread, little did I realize that my Client's Power Problem would find its "Solution" in your APIX-SEP Design Concept Model - and even more, appears gaining International Attention & Support. Indeed the Sustainability Factor of our APIX-SEP "Solution" (as being continuously renewed by the Philippines' Tropical Vegetation Resources - available at Client's PlantSite) makes ours a good model for "Clean Environment thru Alternative Energy". But more than the POWER Problem, I would like to believe that our APIX-SEP-Philippines Project could likewise be a solution to my Client's WATER Problem. Am I "Technically Sound" to visualize our APIX-SEP Project as inclusive of drawing Ocean Water and distilling the same for my Client's Industrial Use - and perhaps, inclusive of the Drinking Water Needs of the Rural Folks? BTW, WATER is one big problem in my Client's location.

02. I opened up a NEW Discussion Thread in this Sustainability Forum yesterday in the hope of getting a "fresh" look at my 2 Case Studies - given my new information on Websites about the Philippines DNA and specialist AE Vendors already operating in the Philippines. I ask that we stop here - and instead, all continue on with our Discussion in my NEW Thread. Thanks.

A link for Manilaman's new thread:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/20153/Aternative-Energy-AE-Solutions-for-Philippine-Factories-Which-is-ideal