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Challenge of week-Need to design and develop a gearbox with 0 or 1mr back lash

04/24/2008 10:56 AM

Hi respected concerned, Is it possible to manufacture a gearbox to the accuracy of less than 1 mili radian backlash? if yes could you tell me the type or concept of the design that can be adapted. How to acheive this? Hoping to hear from you.

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Re: Challenge of week-Need to design and develop a gearbox with 0 or 1mr back lash

04/24/2008 12:35 PM

It depends how much power you want to transmit.
There are spring loaded anti-backlash gears siuitable for instrumentation or light loads.

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Re: Challenge of week-Need to design and develop a gearbox with 0 or 1mr back lash

04/24/2008 7:39 PM

I'd love to know the application.. Steppers no good?

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Re: Challenge of week-Need to design and develop a gearbox with 0 or 1mr back lash

04/25/2008 12:10 AM

I'm with Del on this one. Spring-preloaded anti-backlash gears work well for low-powered applications, but again; how much horsepower do you need to transmit and what is the magnitude, position, and frequency of the shock load(s)?

One can also use split anti-backlash gears that are periodically adjusted for wear. These work well, but can be sensitive when large pitch diameters are combined with large temperature changes.

A couple of questions here: Why is it so important to eliminate backlash in your design? Is the inherit accuracy of the gears (say A.G.M.A. classification) important as well? Surely it must be, as it sounds as it positioning accuracy is critical and the load occassionally places reverse stress on the gear teeth.

I bring this up because a bit of backlash is usually the least important thing in good gear design, save for special low-speed applications where position accuracy is most critical and must be repeatable. Usually, the most important thing about a gear is its composite accuracy; i.e. the combination of pitch line runout, flutter, and tooth index errors. And a bit of backlash is necessary to allow the pitch circles to "grow" as the gears become warmer, allow a bit more lubricant to enter the mesh, and make up for small errors in the centre distances of mating gears.

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Re: Challenge of week-Need to design and develop a gearbox with 0 or 1mr back la

04/25/2008 11:25 AM

Good answer..

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Re: Challenge of week-Need to design and develop a gearbox with 0 or 1mr back lash

04/25/2008 1:55 AM

Hi ,whats the torque that shall be transmitted and what gear ratio and whats the size of the gears? If above are known then only its possible to discuss on this

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Re: Challenge of week-Need to design and develop a gearbox with 0 or 1mr back la

04/25/2008 4:30 AM

Hi,

this will be very difficult if you have a diameter of 2mm but very easy if 200mm!

There are existing solutions from Harmonic Drive and from Infranor and many others.

Backlash can be made very small if:

A. the bearings are to be very accurate, "no" radial runout , no play.

B. the wheels have to be made much better than ordinary: clamping of prefabricated
parts at inner diameter is not good as radial runout is generated. Same with radial
runout of gear cutting machine.

C. adjustment of distance of wheels can be made as good as the sum of above
effects.

D. Elastic additional play-compensation can be added.

E. Motorised preload in reverse of drive motion to be evaluated.

F. Resulting quality should be measured and compensated by computer to eliminate
periodic error.

This can give 1 to 5 arcsec accuracy if wheels have 100 to 200 mm diameter, regardless of type of wheels (worm or not).

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04/25/2008 1:50 PM

Sir:

Odd that you would come into a problem we solved years ago...not actually for backlash prevention but for high ratio reduction. We found very very low backlash....better than any gear box we could find at that time...30+ years ago.

Gasoline 2 cycle engine input ..up to 40 HP....max 7000 RPM...inheretly high pulsation of input power from two cycle........ secondary output not to exceed 650 RPM.

Accomplished with rubber toothed 8 mm timing belts...very precise shaft centers ...two step system.....before they made Kevlar belts....shaft centers just far enough apart for mechanical clearance of pulleys....very compact.

Youdid not indicate the parameters of your HP and ratio needs.

Today you could handle about double that HP input with Kevlar...

MR. GUY

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Re: Challenge of week-Need to design and develop a gearbox with 0 or 1Mr back la

04/25/2008 5:01 PM

Good post!!

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Re: Challenge of week-Need to design and develop a gearbox with 0 or 1mr back la

04/28/2008 2:18 PM

My hat off for the notes posted before me. They cover it all, almost. From the simple Estimates I made, I do not think an 1 milliradian whatever gear can be built. I can be wrong, but I do not see how, right now. The Hubble telescope - for example - is much more precise in pointing, but it is not an Mechanical System. There is an inherent limit to the mechanical system. A few microns for teeth imperfections, some for lubrication, and pretty soon it is impossible to do it that way.

For instrumentation or calibration maybe, but I do not think so. For any power? Fuggedaboutit!!!!

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