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What is Gravity?

05/08/2008 4:02 AM

Hi,

Last day I was having discussion with my friend about gravity. He asked me a very general question. What is gravity? Where does that pulling force come from? What is it's purpose? Actually why it pulls & not repells? It attracts everything, whether the matter is magnetic or non-magnetic.

I don't know all those basics, so I thought I would consult you.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: What is gravity?

05/08/2008 6:53 AM

Sir Newton will tell you that gravity is the attractive force that exists between any two masses. Prof. Einstein corrected (or expanded) that idea, and today gravity is defined by the concept of relativity. It is still the attractive force between two masses, but it is also so much more.....

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Re: What is gravity?

05/08/2008 7:53 AM

Gravity is often one of the more annoying features of our universe and this is rarely more true than when trying to explain it.

At best I can only direct your friend to look into M theory, gravitons, branes, loop quantum gravity and so forth. It shouldn't take more than a decade to do this thouroughly, but I recommend frequent alternnating breaks for aspirin and the ethenol-bearing beverage of his choice.

My personal suspicion is that gravity is merely a construct to keep all the dust down.

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05/09/2008 12:09 AM

"My personal suspicion is that gravity is merely a construct to keep all the dust down."

OK, sounds good but then why does my dust keep flying up? (Cough, gasp, wheeze)

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Re: What is gravity?

05/09/2008 1:52 AM

OK, sounds good but then why does my dust keep flying up? (Cough, gasp, wheeze)

Have you been hanging around Stinky Pete?

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Re: What is gravity?

05/09/2008 2:03 AM

Calculate the gravity force as given in other post of Boy and Girl for the dust.

Also calculate the buoyancy force on the dust partical.

You will see B for is greater than G force. B force is upwards and G downwards, thus the Dust floats.

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05/09/2008 12:53 PM

"Have you been hanging around Stinky Pete?"

Probably not, would love to meet the man, brilliant mind, interesting experiences, obviously not overly concerned with material possesions. However - He is currently located approximately 9145580 metres from my current location (assuming I go around mountains, buildings, etc. rather than over, under, or through.) And there is a somewhat biggish pond in the way and I hate wet feet.

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05/08/2008 10:02 AM

Gravity is what makes what goes up come back down.

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05/08/2008 11:12 AM

The force of gravity becomes greater as you add more material to the 'main' object.

Add enough material, and the combined density of the materials will create enough heat and pressure to burn in a nuclear fashion.

Add even MORE material... a LOT more... and the space between the nucleus and the really heavy, but infinitely small electrons will decrease to the point where even photons of light will not reflect.

....add even MORE! and you have a universe that collapses with such force that it explodes and starts all over again.

It's cool stuff..

...of course all of this is my own dumbed down speculation. . no facts were harmed in the generation of this response.

...so i guess you could say I'm so full of it that I should carry a fire extinguisher.

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05/08/2008 2:20 PM

Gravity is an illusion. It does not exist. The phenomenon we call gravity happens because everything in the universe sucks.

Yeahhhh, right!

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05/08/2008 10:54 PM

Gravity...? Then why have we not observed tides in our atmosphere? ...or any atmosphere?


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05/09/2008 4:22 AM

Actually, there are tides in the atmosphere, but we don't notice them because we are at the bottom of this ocean of air.

Likewise, critters that live on the bottom of the sea don't notice those tides unless they are near a coastline.

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05/09/2008 4:27 AM

You are correct for atmosphere.

But on the other hand there are tides for the ground (earth surface). We are on the earth surface. Still we do not feel the tide.

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05/09/2008 7:20 AM

Pardon, but, unlike fish, we would perceive tides in the atmosphere as a diurnal change in barometric pressure. That don't happen. Also a tidal change in the altitude of our atmosphere would quickly slow anything in low (??) orbit. I never heard of that either.

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05/11/2008 6:47 PM

You apparently have never observed the output of a graphing barometer! I'm not at home right now, so I don't have any available to post, but when I get home in a couple of days I'll see if I can do that.

There IS a diurnal change in barometric pressure, and just like in the oceans, one of the highs is regularly higher than the other. The tides in the atmosphere tend to be masked by changes due to weather, but it does not take a meteorologist, just a careful observer, to see them.

All satellites have to be high enough to be above virtually all of the atmosphere, or they would (and eventually will, unless they are periodically boosted back up) be slowed by the atmosphere, tide or not.

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05/08/2008 11:17 PM

Lets consider the gravitational attraction between a pretty girl and a boy.

If a 50 kg (110 lb) pretty girl sat 0.5 m (19.7 in) from a boy who was 75 kg (165 lb), what would be the gravitational attraction between them?

According to the Universal gravity equation we get:

F = GMm/R² = (6.67*10-11 N-m²/kg²)(50 kg)(75 kg)/(0.5 m)(0.5 m) = 10-6 N or one-millionth of a Newton

That is a very small gravitational attraction, but it can be measured on a sensitive instrument.

At least, thats what I would tell the girl.

Most engineers That are not in electronics at Component level are quite content to live in Newtons Universe.

Example calculation frm http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/gravity_universal_equation.htm where you should send your friend.

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05/09/2008 12:22 AM

But if girl is sitting on the laps of the boy, R becomes very small. Please let us know what will be the gravitational force.

Also if girl is of 75 Kg and a boy 50 kg. what are the effects in above case?

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05/09/2008 9:27 AM

In the case of a 75 kg girl and 50 kg boy, the math formulas give the same answer, but the "sensitive instrument" usually fails to respond to any attraction.

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05/09/2008 4:33 PM

So you want to say a 500kg girl will be more attractive?

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05/09/2008 4:43 PM

The numbers say that. I have a somewhat different answer...

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05/09/2008 5:16 PM

That depends on if you're talking gravity or something else. As far as the something else, some men would be more attracted to the 500 kg girl than the 50 kg one.

Of course, I'm not one of those men.

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05/08/2008 11:20 PM

Science has yet found out how it works. But no body has yet understood why it is so.

So no answer to your question "Where does that....."

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05/08/2008 11:41 PM

Ask Jorrie, he is the CE4 expert on the subject of relativity.

Get an ebook copy of "Relativity 4 Engineers."

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05/09/2008 12:53 AM

I could suggest this is part of natural gravitational force nothing else. It could not repell due to higher gravitational force than the atmospheric force.

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05/09/2008 1:45 AM

Gravity is the change of the coordinate system in both space and time near a massive body. In other words, it's been fairly well proven that gravity is caused by mass within space-time that bends space and time such that objects tend to travel toward the center of mass.

Space is bent toward the mass and time slows down near the mass. Think of the last time you were in an elevator that was going up. The heaviness you felt is essentially what Einstein said was gravity. However, in the case of "real" gravity the bending of the space-time coordinate system near a massive body seems like the upward acceleration, although it's really caused by the affect of mass on the local coordinate fields for x, y, z, and t.

It has been theorized that if two massive bodies interact out in space, they should send out gravitational waves - ripples in space and time that travel at the speed of light, and that should be detectable on Earth.

Do this help.

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05/09/2008 8:31 AM

Good post, Vermin! There is still a debate going on re "gravity waves" and Gravitons.

If a Graviton is essentially massless, like a photon, and if even photons can't escape from a massive body, such as a black hole, why do we think that black holes radiate gravitons? If matter (atoms) in a neutron star are basically collapsed atoms where the electrons and protons have been crushed together to produce neutrons, then what form of matter exists in a black hole (Singularity?) Because the black hole does have "gravity", matter / mass must still exist in the black hole.

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05/09/2008 6:30 PM

This is where Relativity and Quantum Physics get in a fight and don't speak to each other for several days.

QM has been able to explain all the forces by the exchange of virtual particles... Except one - they just can't seem to find that "Damn elusive Graviton!"

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05/09/2008 5:56 PM

Great post. Consise, percise, and to the point.

Thank you,

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05/28/2008 9:13 AM

At first I thought this was a great answer. But then I talked to my turtle (Murtle, of course) and she told me she is convinced of two possibilities. 1) There is no gravity, earth sucks. 2) Gravity was invented by cats to be able to tell when the birds had died.

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05/28/2008 11:48 PM

...And everywhere that I did go, the little fishy followed.

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05/09/2008 3:07 AM

You asked:

"What is gravity?" : It's the attractive force between masses or energies due to the curvature of the "space-time continuity" which is caused by the presence of these masses or energies (according to the General Relativity of Einstein)

"Where does that pulling force come from?" It comes from masses or energies (as I've already told you)

"What is it's purpose?" : What is the purpose of everything else???... Its existence is not more mysterious than the existence of everything else...

"Actually why it pulls & not repells?" : I could ask: why electric or magnetic force pulls or repells and doesn't, always, pull??? ... It's just the nature of the gravity as there are not positive and negative masses in order to have, correspondingly, attraction or repulsion (due to gravity)... It's not like i.e. electric force which is caused by positive or negative charges...

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05/09/2008 6:22 PM

Although it is important to note that anti-matter acts the same way a regular matter in a gravitational field.

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05/09/2008 3:43 AM

To me gravity is a distortion of what I call the point of equilibrium. Space is a medium that is in equilibrium, and if you introduce a mass into it, the point of equilibrium is moved. So what does the point of equilibrium mean? To use an analogy, if you jack up the back of your car and put a motor on each rear wheel, each running in an opposite direction to each other, then take a meter reading of the loads, they should be in equilibrium, the load divided to overcome friction. Now start the engine and through the clutch pass some load to the rear end, this being the equivalent of mass in space, a separate energy introduced into a environment in a state of equilibrium, then one will resist and the other will accept the input, the result an increase of load on one motor and a decrease on the other, gravity being the increase and the other force part of the equilibrium equation not giving any reading on the meter at all? The end result being you can only read one force the other being undetectable? Like I said this is just an analogy, not a theory.

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