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Reverse power Tripping

05/11/2008 5:47 AM

Dear Friends,

We are facing problem one generator trpping on reverse power. We have three generator having capacity 2.5MW ( GTG-1), 2.8 MW GTG-2)and 4.2 MW.(GTG-3) GTG-1 & 2 runnig parellel very well but GTG-3 IS TRIPPING ON REVERSE POWER after synchronizing GTG-3 with GTG-1 & 2 OR with any one.

Besides we can run GTG-3 independently without reverse power tripping. i.e. GTG-3 couldn't run in parellel with other generators.

what could be the causes of GTG-3 reverse power tripping ? how can we find the cause of tripping? We have checked relay wiring found ok.

Thanks

Kachiya

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Re: Reverse power Tripping

05/12/2008 12:22 AM

Can you run 1 and 3 together without tripping on reverse power? How about 2 and 3?

try to give us as much information as you can.

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Re: Reverse power Tripping

05/12/2008 12:33 AM

Dear Orheuse,

Thanks for your reply

No we can't run 3 with any other generator. 3 only can be run indepenendtly( on dead bus only)

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Re: Reverse power Tripping

05/12/2008 1:09 AM

have you tried replacing gen. 3?

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Re: Reverse power Tripping

05/12/2008 3:21 AM

Such large machine have a KW meter, please check what is the KW value at tripping time.

If KW> 100 recheck the reverse relay

If KW around 0 please check the woodward or equivalent for speed control

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Re: Reverse power Tripping

05/12/2008 6:48 AM

Dear Friends,

Thanks for replying, After sychronising GHT-3 it's not taking any active load but it's drawing reactive power from GTG-1 & or 2( which are running in paralell ) and resuted in black out. ( GTG-3 reactive power meter showing/ going up to maximum leading var before trips on reverse power)

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Re: Reverse power Tripping

05/18/2008 4:32 AM

That is strange, if you are drawing reactive that means that the voltage is too low.

But this shall not trip the reverse power which avoids that the turbine is driven by the generator operating as synchrone motor.

When synchronizing ,the speed ( Hz) on the slave machine shall be slighty above the master and you close the breaker within the limits of +/- 10ยบ on the synchroscope, this avoid the reverse power. After closing the breaker the speed selector to be activated on the + side to take the load.

You shall do exactly the same on the voltage adjustment to share the reactive power

If you your machine is pumping reactive load to such an extend I suspect that there is a wrong connection on your CT's .

Please give more infos about the Speed control ( Woodward) the AVR and others sytems installed.

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Re: Reverse power Tripping

05/12/2008 9:03 AM

IF GTG-3 works well by itself, there is no inherent damage to the generator. It sounds like the instrument wiring for GTG-3 is incorrect. It's also possible that one or more of the GTG-3 CT's are installed backwards. Since GTG-1 & GTG-2 work together, those units must be wired the same way.

I would compare the following items of GTG-3 to the same circuits of GTG-1 & GTG-2:

  • Polarity of all CT's.
  • CT phasing through each element of all CT secondary circuits.
  • Polarity of all PT's.
  • PT phasing through each element of all PT secondary circuits, including the synchronizing circuit.
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Re: Reverse power Tripping

05/13/2008 2:14 AM

I do not suspect CT polarity and PT Polarity ,if it is so, the breaker will trip even on normal individual operation for forward Power

Controller/avr/connections to be checked,best way is to interchange the controller and check .

They have to furnish information and feedback should be fast.

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Re: Reverse power Tripping

05/12/2008 3:11 PM

It looks to me like you need to check your reverse power relay setting on the breaker or check out the governor on the GTG or whatever setup you have controlling the fuel to it.

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