Login | Register

Previous in Forum: turbine   Next in Forum: burner capacity
Close

Comments Format:






Close

Subscribe to Discussion:

CR4 allows you to "subscribe" to a discussion
so that you can be notified of new comments to
the discussion via email.

Close

Rating Vote:







5 comments
Member

Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 5

22Cr Duplex Stainless Steel (DSS) Fabrication Feasibility under PWHT

05/12/2008 11:15 AM

Good evening Gents...

We have one point for discussion:

22Cr DSS is required for some of critical equipments for the process reasons as per metllurgist recommendation in the operating temperature >60 deg.C and chloride concentration more than 120000 ppm.

So, we have choosen DSS for internal weld overlay / clad for vessels. All these vessels under high pressure vessels service, and thus need PWHT as per Div-1.

Question is:

1.0 Do the DSS with stand normal PWHT cycle as per Div-1

2.0 If, not is there any alternative to achieve defect free DSS after PWHT.

3.0 We intend to use the following solution, to overcome fabrication complications, such as cracking after PWHT

(a) Use 904L dilution layer, do PWHT and then go for DSS WOL

4.0 Is strip clading allowed or strip is available in 22CrDSS ?

Please through your views, comments, suggestion on the above points....

Regards

KV

Send to a friend Digg this Add to del.icio.us
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Associate

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 32
#1

Re: 22Cr Duplex Stainless Steel (DSS) Fabrication Feasibility under PWHT

05/13/2008 3:13 AM

Please go through the LINCOLN-SMITWELD, Doc # LSW01463 Rev: July 1992, File # LN/COMDG207 Title: Welding Duplex and Super Duplex Stainless Steels - A Guide for Industry. You would have most the question answered in this document. By the way, why do you want to clad on some other metal. Is other metal carbon steel? If so please don't do that you would have other problem such as reversing of phase equilibirium to normal stainless steel. The reason for selection of Duplex Stainless Steel is to hold pressure in relatively lesser thickness of vessel than High Carbon Steel, high resistant agains corrosion and lighter in weight. Please provide information on the vessel on that you want to clad.

Regarding your question whether DSS can withstand thermal cycle, yes! it can be heat treated between 1050 - 1100C and time between 5 to 30 minutes depending upon the thickness.

Guru
Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member Egypt - Member - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Cairo, Egypt
Posts: 740
Good Answers: 39
#4
In reply to #1

Re: 22Cr Duplex Stainless Steel (DSS) Fabrication Feasibility under PWHT

05/13/2008 4:49 AM

Dear AbdulWasay,

why do you want to clad on some other metal. Is other metal carbon steel? If so please don't do that you would have other problem such as reversing of phase equilibrium to normal stainless steel.

The required process on which ksuviresh asking is a weld deposit by strip cladding, which is differs from cladding (cladding in ASME is covered by ASME SA-263, SA-264 & SA-265), and all of those processes are differ from lining. And if he used a dilution layer or what we called a butter under the DSS, I think there is no problem.

Note. The reason for selection of Duplex Stainless Steel as a strip cladding for this case is not "to hold pressure in relatively lesser thickness of vessel than High Carbon Steel", but to have a high corrosion resistant higher than its similar for CS. Because in the presence of a base metal (may be carbon steel) the design shall be based on the thickness of CS only, and the weld deposit layer (or cladd) thickness representing the corrosion allowance. And the thickness of weld deposit shall not contributed in the min. required thickness tr to withstand pressure and temp., where vessel nominal thickness, tn = tr + CA.

Guru
Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member Egypt - Member - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Cairo, Egypt
Posts: 740
Good Answers: 39
#2

Re: 22Cr Duplex Stainless Steel (DSS) Fabrication Feasibility under PWHT

05/13/2008 3:56 AM

Dear ksuviresh,

From ASME code, Section II, Part A, material SA-263 "Specification for Stainless Chromium Steel-Clad Plate", Para. 5.2 speaks about heat treatment for clad steel, this indicates that the code has no prohibition for heat treatment of clad steel and this encourage us to consider the same condition can be applied to weld deposit using strip clad.

Quote. 5.2 Heat Treatment - Unless otherwise specified or agreed upon between the purchaser and the manufacturer, all plates shall be furnished in the normalized, tempered, normalized and tempered, or quenched and tempered condition as permitted by the backing steel specification. Stress relieving of the composite plate by heating subcritically is permitted, provided the temperature is 75°F [40°C] or more below the minimum tempering temperature (when tempered). Unquote.

So, I think taht:

1. DSS can withstand normal PWHT cycle as per Div-1.

4. Strip cladding is allowed and the filler metal is available from common manufacturers such as Hobart, Lincoln, ESAB, ... etc.

Commentator

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Italy
Posts: 62
Good Answers: 2
#3

Re: 22Cr Duplex Stainless Steel (DSS) Fabrication Feasibility under PWHT

05/13/2008 4:14 AM

If you want to avoid all the issues about pwht of duiplex and welding procedures with problems of dlilution and ferrite/autenite content you should opt for an integral duplex vessel.

why you want to use a 904L? usually in dissimilar weld of duplex is used a 309 material.

Why Clad when there is Duplex?
http://www.outokumpu.com/applications/pub/res.asp?txtFind=why+clad&selLang=EN-GB&hdnBA=2#

http://87.230.33.128/_files/stainless_steel/Duplex_Stainless_Steel.pdf

S.

corrosion control & protection

__________________
Corrosion & Material . http://www.corrosionist.com
Power-User

Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 120
Good Answers: 2
#5

Re: 22Cr Duplex Stainless Steel (DSS) Fabrication Feasibility under PWHT

05/13/2008 8:04 AM

How about a new technology! Single pass sub-arc with a surface chromium content greater than 32% and the EPRI guy's don't own it...this was developed buy some of the old Nooter group people for the urea bis.

__________________
"I had not anticipated that the work would present any great difficulites" SHACKLETON
5 comments
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Abdel Halim Galala (2), AbdulWasay (1), NiCrMoNoMore (1), strider6 (1)

Previous in Forum: turbine   Next in Forum: burner capacity
You might be interested in: Stainless Steel Alloys, Filtration Media and Elements, Metal Strip