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joomunm
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Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/14/2008 9:42 AM

Do you know that there is a device which reverse your electric meter backward?

The device composed of SCR, diodes, Electrolytic Capacitors and other electronic components.

The reverse rate : One kWh = minus One Unit

Rated Voltage : AC 110~240V/ 15A

Rated Frequency : 50~60 Hz

Weight: 1400 g.

Selling Price : Around $700.00

This invention is unique as per the vendor. I prefer to keep the make as anonymous.

"You have to just plug the Power Reverse into electric plug. That's it. And wait to see your electric bill reduced and you will surprise. It's really decrease your electric bill! " said the inventor.

Moreover, there is ONE year warranty on the device.

It should be connected near the breaker switch control panel box as far as possible. However, it functions only on Electromechanical Meters and not on Electronic Meters.

My questions are:

(1) Is it true that this device makes your electric meter moves backwards?

(2) Can anyone confirm the Electrical Engineering Theory regarding this device?

(3) Is this a unique invention that why the seller is marketing this device 100 times the cost price?

(4) What happened with anti-reverse dial meter?

(5) Is this device worked similar to a Power Factor Corrector where the circuit is more capacitive than inductive?

(6) An electric welding machine tends to backward a kWh meter. Is this phenomenon similar to the above device?
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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/14/2008 10:55 AM

Moreover, there is ONE year warranty on the device.

A one year warranty against what...going to jail?
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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/14/2008 1:03 PM

The seller offers ONE year warranty on this product in case there is technical deficiency or the apparatus is faulty. I like to point out that in the country where it is on the market it is not an illegal item otherwise the authority would not allow the well-known dealer in Electrical Products to freely and publicly advertise this item. I think we better look at this subject on the technical approach rather than making unnecessary comment whether it is legal or not. My objective is on the Electrical Principle and the theory behind this invention. You must agree that the Engineers (I mean the Inventor) are not stupid people just like those who create virus on the net.
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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/14/2008 1:40 PM

You must agree that the Engineers (I mean the Inventor) are not stupid people just like those who create virus on the net.

No, I must not agree. Individuals that market to the avarice and greed of others too unsophisticated to understand that the fact that an item is legal for sale does not make it legal to use are the lowest form of humanity. You asked why they could market this device at 100x the cost - because unscrupulous purchasers know that far more money can be saved by using this device as intended - to cheat the utility company.

I think we better look at this subject on the technical approach

You want to discuss the the technical aspects? Fine. I'm sure that the device described it technically sound. Big deal. So are the devices that allow cable channels to be de-scrambled without paying for the service. These devices were legal for sale for many years and the plans to build one can still be found on the internet. You'll still be in a heap of trouble if you're found actually putting one in use.

rather than making unnecessary comment whether it is legal or not.

I do find the comment questioning the device's legality necessary - it's what separates me from the denigrates I spoke of above. As an engineer, I have an ethical responsibility to question not only the integrity of a design, but the integrity of it's use. That is part of the trust the public places in me with the title "engineer".
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05/15/2008 7:39 AM

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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/15/2008 1:46 AM

Let's see.. On the electrical side its pure BS which on the legal side makes it fraud.

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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/14/2008 2:16 PM

Regardless of the user's moral issues:

  1. There is no way to run a meter in "reverse" without generating electricity!
  2. The utilities charge money for electricity because of one main fact: IT COSTS MONEY TO PRODUCE AND DELIVER ELECTRICITY AND IT COSTS MONEY TO MAINTAIN THOSE SYSTEMS! When you "run the meter in reverse", you are stealing from them. There are laws in almost every country I know of that say "no stealing!".
  3. There is no such device or technology, it is a scam designed only to separate you from your money!
  4. They know they can get away with selling it to you because when you find out they ripped you off, what are you going to do? Go to the authorities? If you do, you will end up in jail for fraud and theft! So once you hook up their piece of worthless junk and discover that you were scammed, they know you have no recourse against them!
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06/30/2008 2:21 AM

I am sorry for you guys, but I already made this reverse signal. You better come back to the books and read them again.
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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/14/2008 2:37 PM

Why don't you just shoplift at Wal*Mart?
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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/14/2008 2:57 PM

Do you know that there is a device which reverse your electric meter backward?

When I reverse my meter backwards, the outgoing current is so strong it knocks the power plant offline, bounces the coal back into the train cars, moves the cars back to Kentucky, and dumps the coal back into the ground...so now, everyone in Appalachia owes me money.

It should be connected near the breaker switch control panel box as far as possible.

I connected mine as near as I could while still keeping it as far as possible away - then it occured to me that the best way to do this would be to install it in my neighbor's house.

An electric welding machine tends to backward a kWh meter.

If this were true, we'd all be welding insteady of typing....

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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/14/2008 8:43 PM

Dude, you know this stuff is ac, right? That means if you run it backwards, you have to pay for both directions, so you'd wind up maybe paying twice as much.

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05/14/2008 10:54 PM

There's an urban myth about the guy with a welder running his meter backwards. Unfortunately he went 2 or 3 units too far and got a bill for 999,997 units as the power company knows the meters can only legitimately run one way.

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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/14/2008 10:57 PM

it can only decrease your current usage by creating an L-C circuit but the power company will find it out :p

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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/15/2008 12:32 AM

Here's a song for you:

"I fought the law and the law won."

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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/15/2008 1:53 AM

Before everyone gets carried away, you can feed power back into the grid, but you need a special unit to do it.

If you have solar & batteries, you can supply current back into the grid in the off-peak times, also during peak to help with demand.

running your meter backwards will only give you problems, as the electricty companies charge for your meter running forwards, if they come and read your meter as 2246789 and the next time they read it as 2245789 then the difference to them isn't -1000kW/H its 10000000-2246789+2245789 or 10000000-1000kW/H which is a friggen amount of money.

If this "invention" is correct, then it would only slow the meters down in speed, so the readings are not incremented as normal,

The meter is only an electric motor, and the armature you see is the rotating disc, with the output shaft turning the counter wheels.

Oh, and I think playing with the power factor is actually illegal, especially in the persuit of obtaining electricity that you have not paid for.

The device could be sold "for educational purposes only, not to be installed into a real house wiring circuit" to get him away from being sued by annoyed people who installed the device, and the electricians who have just lost their license for installing such devices.

And lastly, what electronic devices don't have electrilytic capacitors, diodes and "other electronic" devices inside them?


I did hear of a thing someone did, they tied some magnets the some rope, and then on to a door, so when you opened the door, the rope lifted the magnets up from the meters, when the door closed, the magnets sat in front of the meters, making them slow and possibly stop, the device was discovered by a meter reader who didn't chock the door properly and the magnets closed the door, and fell on top of him...

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05/15/2008 3:18 PM

am working on a solar PV installation with a team and here is the local PECO requirements for feeding power back into the grid from what the electric company calls "parallel Power"

hrrp://www.exeloncorp.com/NR/rdonlyres/5A9D1713-OE34-47FO-9EF5-D8CEA3EFD6AE/0/text.pdf
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05/17/2008 7:24 PM

Magnets? Hmm, I hadn't thought of that--years ago, before Edison got so paranoid, I just tampered with the "tamperproof" ring and turned my meter upside down for 10 days after it had been read, then turned it back--I told them I didn't run my AC.

Is stealing electricity less of a Republican idea than price gouging on gasoline? Sorry, dumb question...
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05/15/2008 2:26 AM

Its a load of crap!! I know the item you are talking about, actually it will put your consumption up just a little bit.

It is unfortunate that it is allowed on the market however the power authority and suppliers know that it is harmless so only the greedy get stung.

Right now the public in NSW are getting robbed of there electrical power by the government who will flog it off to pay for there excesses, pensions and lousy government we wont see much of that money improving hospitals and transport, it will just disappear into into what is known as consolidated revenue. we are told the cost of power wont go up, would you buy a company and not try to recoup your costs?Now they know the secret of making something out of nothing!

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Re: Have you heard of Electric Power Saver Reverse or kWh reverse?

05/15/2008 3:22 AM

I think its more suitable for home application.There are many methods by which a 3 ph meter can be made to run the other way.Probably this instrument may work.

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05/15/2008 5:13 AM

I'm sure these rip-off gadgets have been around for years, usually aimed at people, (not always greedy) struggling to cope with a family and huge electric bills - the users are almost always caught or electrocuted and the fraudsters walk away with the profits. I have to confess that I once linked out the meter for a day when living in a caravan in the middle of winter, (our 6 month old baby was very ill at the time and the caravan site owner installed his own meter which was charging 10 times the normal price per unit).

The point is, should we, as responsible electrical engineers be actively investigating these scams when they occur in our locality and get the real facts into the local paper. After all, the public might pay more attention to a piece from their local electrician than a warning from the Electricity Company. It might save a life!
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05/15/2008 3:12 PM

I'll tell you how to save your whole power bill for free...Just bypass the meter...

Or easiers still ...AND LEGAL...just turn off all your appliances.

This too is illegal.... but at least it is cheap and you will be the one obviously breaking the law and risking the consequences. At leat you won't be paying money to a fraudster.

(I'm not seriously suggesting you do this.)

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05/15/2008 11:28 PM

At least electricity isn't like water.

If you don't use electricity you possibly wont get charged more than the meter rent.

If you don't use water, you still have a "minimum quota" that if you don't use, you still have to pay for (well, thats the way it is here in Vic. Oz)

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06/30/2008 9:32 AM

YES this device does exist I have made them and used them it is basically an auto transformer with a 4 turn heavy primary and a 2000 turn secondary. The primary is connected between live in and live out on the meter and the secondary is connected between the live out and earth, if you connect it the wrong way round the meter runs forward at high speed. If you get any part of the design, construction, installation and usage of this gadget wrong it can and will go bang, it can and will damage the meter, your home and you, I know this because I have done it, and have payed the price both legally and financially. Notwithstanding the former I personally know of cases where a device of this type, manufactured by myself, has been in use for a minimum of 8 years, it all came to an end when the clients meter was replaced with an electronic unit. they do work. They are dangerous, they are illegal

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