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NDT Level III

07/14/2008 7:44 AM

i would like to get NDT level III certified in accordance with NAS 410 or EN 4179. can somebody help with getting the relavent way to get there

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Re: NDT Level III

07/14/2008 1:02 PM
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07/15/2008 4:28 AM

Only American Society for Non-Destructive Testing (Organization) certify NDT level III according to ASNT requirement. For NAS 410 and EN 4179 accordance, you would have to approach their respective organization, but it would be equivalent Level III and not "Certified NDT Level III Inspector". Before level III you would have to pass level I and level II.

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07/15/2008 6:17 AM

I don't know NAS 410, but EN 4179 is an european standard for qualification of non destructive examination personnel for aerospace services. There is another industry general standard (EN 473) but according to EC directives for aeronautical services, EN 4179 applies.

To certify as Level III you need not necessarily have been Level I and II before. You must have the required experience and training. For qualifying directly as Level III you have to add those requirements of all levels.

The way to be "officially qualified" is to address your inquiry to your National Accreditation Body or any Accredited Center for personnel qualification.

For example, here in Spain you have to address to AEEND which is the Spanish Association for NDE and is accredited by our National Accreditation Body (ENAC).

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Re: NDT Level III

07/15/2008 2:00 PM

The link given (above) to the ASNT document deserves the nod...

the subsequent statement ... "To certify as Level III you need not necessarily have been Level I and II before, you must have the required experience and training..." is not necessarily axiomatic. There are several means by which one can qualify to submit onesself for Level III examination.

The thing that is missing from the OP as well as responses thus far is, well, the big Q:

"In which NDT Method are you seeking to obtain Level III certification?"

To obtain "Level III" Certification through ASNT, you must submit qualifying paperwork, and you must submit fees for not just one, but *2* exams: 1st, the "Basic" exam, which tests your knowledge on ALL the different methods, consisting of "Level I and Level II" questions for each of those Methods...

then , you will take a dedicated Level III exam in the "Specialty Method" that you select. This SHOULD be a method that you employ (or WILL be employing) in your employment*. You may NOT take a Level III exam without having FIRST passed the Basic exam.

*... your credentials would be ... uh ... "questionable" to some, if your initial Level-III certification was in Vibration Analysis or Leak Testing, but ALL YOUR WORK involved nothing but Ultrasonics and Eddy Current Testing.

Wishing you the best ~

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07/16/2008 2:35 AM

To certify as Level III you need not necessarily have been Level I and II before, you must have the required experience and training..

I was talking about EN standards, not ASNT. EN allows to access to Level III either being previously certified as Level II or without any previous certification.

In the last case, you must first pass the practical examination required for Level II, and then the complete Level III examination which comprises:

A basic examination with 3 parts:

  • 25 questions regarding materials science and processes knowledge
  • 10 questions on knowledge of certification system
  • 60 questions on 4 different examination methods (15 questions/method) corresponding to Level II

A specific examination on the principal method (That in which intends to be Level III certified), comprising:

  • 30 Level III questions on the specific method
  • 20 questions on specific application of such NDT method to the industry field intended, including those related standards and specifications
  • To write one or more complete NDT procedures in the field intended

Of course, when applying for certification, you must demonstrate the education level required and the specific experience needed (for example: to qualify directly as Level III you need 24 months experience if you have a technical Bsc or Msc. If the education level is lower, the required experience increases)

I never said that it was easy to certify as Level III, but the phrase I wrote is (according to EN) absolutely right.

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07/16/2008 11:39 AM

OOoops(again!)... the "eye-brain-coordination" failed there: after scanning the first couple of posts, I was already typing a response in my head.

Certainly, things are done differently on the other-side-of-the-pond ... and as such, I'll be interested in hearing from someone better equipped to point you to the appropriate agency / online sources for your situation. I've heard a few references to various societal reciprocity agreements (at least one of which was subsequently dissolved). This hasn't been an issue for myself, as yet ... but one never knows!

A little additional enlightenment would certainly be appreciated ~

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Re: NDT Level III

07/17/2008 2:31 AM

Hello ndt-tom

Of course each country has its own peculiarities. Anyway, EN standards on NDT personnel qualification have been developed following the general scheme of ASNT. The standardization organization just modify a little bit some aspects (for example, educational levels and degrees aren't absolutely the same in the US and EC).

Another difference is the recertification method, according to EN, the period is 5 years for all Levels but you can re-certify if demonstrate to the Certification Body the continuity in the method during this time. But this non-examination recertification is not allowed two following times, so every 10 years you must pass the examination.

Anyway, at least here in Spain most companies accept both certifications (EN or ASNT). I'm just asking for some welded structure MT examination and in the specification I've required that inspectors need to be Level II certified according to either ASNT or EN 473.

Few weeks ago I was surprised when I saw they have adopted ASME BPV Code Section VIII as EN too... So, maybe some of this days CP 189/SNT-TC-1A will be adopted too.

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