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Blu-ray, HD-DVD and Up-Converting DVD Players

10/29/2008 8:37 PM

October 28th, 2008

Greetings, everyone,

Normally I wouldn't bother you folks with this sort of thing, and I'm sure this has all been hashed out in other posts. Be that as it may, let me pose my particulars and, hopefully, recieve your opinions, which I value highly.

As most of you know my brother-in-law has a computer shop. Our main staple is PC and laptop repair. We also digitally digitally record 8mm/Super 8mm cellulose film onto DVD. Currently, we are working with the lowest common denominator in playback medium, DVD+/-R. As of this writing, we have not seen any systems come through the store with Blu-ray or HD-DVD.

Then I found this article Ziff-Davis. Now I'm thoroughly confused.

Should I add burning hardware to an already tight financial situation?

If so, which technology should I invest in?

What technology are they going to replace it with?

Are we looking at a hybrid Blu-ray+Hd-DVD or something totaly new?

Is there anything I missed?

Well, there you have it. Any advice will be appreciated.

Thank you all,

/Ari (Orpheuse)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=364

October 28th, 2008

Blu-ray is dead - heckuva job, Sony!

Posted by Robin Harris @ 12:31 pm

http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=364

Categories: Disk drives, Marketing

Tags: Job, Sony Corp., Time Warner Inc., Blu-ray Disc, Blu-ray Disc Association, Agent Smith, Blu-Ray, DVD, Consumer Electronics, Personal Technology

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Blu-ray is in a death spiral. 12 months from now Blu-ray will be a videophile niche, not a mass market product.

With only a 4% share of US movie disc sales and HD download capability arriving, the Blu-ray disc Association (BDA) is still smoking dope. Even $150 Blu-ray players won't save it.

16 months ago I called the HD war for Blu-ray. My bad. Who dreamed they could both lose?

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
Delusional Sony exec Rick Clancy needs to put the crack pipe down and really look at the market dynamics.

In a nutshell: consumers drive the market and they don't care about Blu-ray's theoretical advantages. Especially during a world-wide recession.

Remember Betamax? SACD? Minidisk? Laser Disk? DVD-Audio? There are more losers than winners in consumer storage formats.

It's all about volume. 8 months after Toshiba threw in the towel, Blu-ray still doesn't have it.

The Blu-ray Disc Association doesn't get it
$150 Blu-ray disc players are a good start, but it won't take Blu-ray over the finish line. The BDA is stuck in the past with a flawed five-year-old strategy.

The original game plan
Two things killed the original strategy. First the fight with HD DVD stalled the industry for two years. Initial enthusiasm for high definition video on disk was squandered.

Second, the advent of low cost up-sampling DVD players dramatically cut the video quality advantage of Blu-ray DVDs. Suddenly, for $100, your average consumer can put good video on their HDTV using standard DVDs. When Blu-ray got started no one dreamed this would happen.

Piggies at the trough
The Blu-ray Disc Association hoped for a massive cash bonanza as millions of consumers discovered that standard DVDs looked awful on HDTV. To cash in they loaded Blu-ray licenses with costly fees. Blu-ray doesn't just suck for consumers: small producers can't afford it either.

According to Digital Content Producer Blu-ray doesn't cut it for business:

  • Recordable discs don't play reliably across the range of Blu-ray players - so you can't do low-volume runs yourself.
  • Service bureau reproduction runs $20 per single layer disc in quantities of 300 or less.
  • Hollywood style printed/replicated Blu-ray discs are considerably cheaper once you reach the thousand unit quantity: just $3.50 per disc.
  • High-quality authoring programs like Sony Blu-print or Sonic Solutions Scenarist cost $40,000.
  • The Advanced Access Content System - the already hacked DRM - has a one-time fee of $3000 plus a per project cost of almost $1600 plus $.04 per disk. And who defines "project?"
  • Then the Blu-ray disc Association charges another $3000 annually to use their very exclusive - on 4% of all video disks! - logo.

That's why you don't see quirky indie flicks on Blu-ray. Small producers can't afford it - even though they shoot in HDV and HD.

The Storage Bits take
Don't expect Steve Jobs to budge from his "bag of hurt" understatement. Or Final Cut Studio support for Blu-ray. I suspect that Jobs is using his Hollywood clout from his board seat on Disney and his control of iTunes to try to talk sense to the BDA.

But the BDA won't budge. They, like so much of Hollywood, are stuck in the past.

A forward looking strategy would include:

  • Recognition that consumers don't need Blu-ray. It is a nice-to-have and must be priced accordingly.
  • Accept the money spent on Blu-ray is gone and will never earn back the investment. Then you can begin thinking clearly about how to maximize Blu-ray penetration.
  • The average consumer will probably pay $50 more for a Blu-ray player that is competitive with the average up-sampling DVD player. Most of the current Blu-ray players are junk: slow, feature-poor and way over-priced.
  • Disk price margins can't be higher than DVDs and probably should be less. The question the studios need to ask is: "do we want to be selling disks in 5 years?" No? Then keep it up. Turn distribution over to your very good friends at Comcast, Apple and Time Warner. You'll be like Procter & Gamble paying Safeway to stock your products.
  • Fire all the market research firms telling you how great it is going to be. They are playing you. Your #1 goal: market share. High volume is your only chance to earn your way out of this mess and keep some control of your distribution.

Time is short. Timid incrementalism will kill you.

Like Agent Smith delivering the bad news to a complacent cop: "No, Lieutenant, your men are already dead."

Comments welcome, of course.

Robin Harris has been selling and marketing data storage for over 20 years in companies large and small. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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10/29/2008 10:32 PM

Obviously Sony still hasn't learnt the REAL lesson from the Betamax fiasco: it's not about about the so-called superior technology or buying over Hollywood studios like MGM, it's about affordability to consumers and a wide software library. As long as Blu-Ray players remain prohibitively costly to all but the most affluent videophiles and Blu-Ray software remain limited to Sony-MGM titles, very few people will buy them.

What you have to ask yourself is this: how many of your clients are actually asking for their home movies to be burnt into HD-DVD or Blu-Ray format, and how much are they willing to pay for this? After that, enquire around for the cost of purchasing HD-DVD or Blu-Ray burning hardware, authoring & mastering software, and blank discs. Finally, do a comparison check: how long will it take for you to break even, if ever, and will it be economically viable for you to invest in HD-DVD or Blu-Ray production equipment and software? Once you have done this, you'll be able to answer your own question.

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10/30/2008 2:58 AM

While I've got your attention, and you are still interested, if you dub a standad VHS/DVD through an up-converting player, can you capture the up-conversion?

Thanks DVader1000. That was helpful, have a point.

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10/30/2008 9:24 AM

"Can you capture the up-conversion?"

Sure: it will be converted into the HD-DVD or Blu-Ray format. It just won't have the same level of definition or sound quality. That's because your original was recorded at a lower definition and sound quality.

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10/30/2008 4:04 PM

DVader, I'm gonna make George Lucas eat every bad word he ever said about Darth Vader. You, Sir or Madam, are a credit to the Human Race. I wish you all the best that life has to offer.

Is there a way to increase the quality of the Picture and Sound fidelity?

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10/30/2008 10:44 PM

Hey, there's still good in me after all, as my son found out.

Seriously, digital enhancement can increase the sound and picture quality, but the software is very costly. Law enforcement agencies use this type of software to enhance security videos, so I'm not sure if it's even available to the general public. If you know anyone in the audio and video analysis business, they may be able to advice you where to get such software and how much it will cost.

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GA for you here.

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10/31/2008 12:59 AM

Hi Orpheuse,

Take a long look at the Royal Digital Media HD format able to display the next generation of high-definition: 1920p.

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Go on, pull the other one. What, in the name of Isaac Newton is 1920p?

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11/07/2008 10:07 AM

Dear bwire,

I am a little intellectually challanged at the moment. I read through Dreamstream, but I don't think I understand how and why it works. Can you go into more detail?

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Certainly though I am certain it is I that am intellectually challenged of the subject.

You will find this very interesting. Blu-Ray is of a 128-bit encryption, while the Dreamstream is of a RSA-2048-bit encryption availing 1290i

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Holy chrome! We're going up an order of magnitude! WOW!

What is the burning media on that like?

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