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resistivity

02/28/2009 4:30 PM

Hey guys.Could you guys help me out with a question that i'm struggling to answer.First of all i'm a 1st year elctrical engineering student,our lecturer does not explain verbally but tells us to refer to the internet or should i say self study through the internet.i'm finding hard to calculate an answer without being verbally explained.My question is: A manganin wire has 8 times the diameter of a 819.7mm copper length wire.The resistivities of manganin and copper are 0.44 micro-ohm-meter and 0.018 micro-ohm-meter respectively.Caculate the length of manganin wire(in mm)if it has the same resistance as the copper wire. Could anyone please show me the steps to get to the answer.Thanks

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Re: resistivity

02/28/2009 4:50 PM

Since this is homework, this is just a sketch of how to solve the problem.

The basic equation to use is

R = pl/A,

where,

R = resistance in Ohms of a wire of length l in meters and cross-sectional area A in square meters, withe conductor material having a resistivity of p (actually Greek "rho") ohm-meters.

So all you need to do is solve the above equation for each kind of wire, and then take a ratio, thus:

R1 = p1 * L1 /A1, and R2 = p2 * L2 / A2, and you set R1 = R2 and solve for the ratio of L1/L2.

Once you have the ratio, you've got the answer, right?

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02/28/2009 11:29 PM

Length =819.7x{(0.44/0.018)/(8x8)}=313.079mm

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Re: resistivity

03/01/2009 12:47 AM

The resistivity = resistance of unit length per unit crossection area

WIKI:

Electrical resistivity (also known as specific electrical resistance or volume resistivity) is a measure of how strongly a material opposes the flow of electric current. A low resistivity indicates a material that readily allows the movement of electric charge. The SI unit of electrical resistivity is the Ω m.

or Resistance = Resistivity * length / crossection area (R = ρL/A)

For you you have the equation of equal resistance

Rcu = Rma

ρcuLcu/Acu = ρmaLma/Ama

Substitute the values.

The basics of these you don;t have to go through net. If I am not wrong you have something called the Text Book ? Also as I remember (might be wrong) this aspect was covered in our pre-engineering syllabus some where in class XI or XII.

Try to go through the chapters (Though I am not sure about the attitude of your lecturer).

And Lastly - there is a Education forum try to post these things there.

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03/01/2009 5:48 AM

thanks u guys i'm finally understanding it.

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03/01/2009 8:00 AM

Seriously you have a lecturer who does not explain the basics of resistivity of metals.You should get yourself a new teacher this one is not much use and will give you a poor start in your education.

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Re: resistivity

03/02/2009 9:04 AM

Agreed, you don't need a lecturer to tell you to find things on the internet!

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03/01/2009 1:57 PM

Yeah, listen to the man nd get yourself a good teacher!

It's very important that you have a good start.

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Re: resistivity

03/01/2009 2:50 PM

Yeah, u guys are right,i can't start my varsity life on a bad note.i'm actually going to foward my complaint to the Dean of my faculty.

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03/03/2009 1:32 PM

First, I would like to play devil's advocate for the lecturer. Any class that requires prior knowledge will be slowed by people asking about the prior knowledge. The diligent students of a class can be held back by too many "dumb" questions. Pre-read the lecture topic from your textbook before the lecture. The lecture is intended to fill in pertinent gaps of the textbook and to highlight the critical components of the textbook. Lectures are not a substitute for the textbook. Some lectures (frequently large lectures) also have recitation classes. Often these lectures will take the full allotted time of the lecture to just complete all of the critical topics. Ask your questions in the recitation, at the end of either class or during office hours.

His teaching approach has to permit a student to grasp new concepts and techniques in a reasonable way. Along the way you will stumble on some ideas and approaches. This is normal. When you stumble your teacher is obligated to assist you in understanding and correcting your difficulty over some topic. Your teacher should not remove the stumbling block though and your stumble should not hinder your classmates.

Now that I've defended your lecturer, his/her job is to instruct you in a reasonable fashion. To demonstrate to a Dean that your instructor is not being cooperative, you will have to demonstrate due diligence in your efforts and a lack of effort by your instructor. For many good reasons this is a high hurdle to overcome. But sometimes it cannot be avoided. But I warn you, trying prove a lecturer wrong by going over their head can create many problems. Ironically, often when you are right.

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03/03/2009 10:58 PM

I think that the method in this lecturers madness is not to just disseminate all the information for this rather simple problem, but to drive the student to search for the answer, just like in real life. I'm sure the textbook, if actually read, would explain the lesson being taught. He is just trying to mould these first year students to be successful in their following academic years and into the future. He has seen it all before, year after year, and developed this style for the good of his students.

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03/04/2009 4:02 PM

I get what you saying Jaguar but what i know about this lecturer,is that from the time he started lecturing the course last year,students started failing whereas that previous year the lecturer that lectured that course who is actually a specialist in electrical engineering all the students passed with excellent distinctions because they were taught the basics from the beginning,where i on the other hand and so does the studentds in my class have'nt been taught the basics in the beginning.

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03/04/2009 4:40 PM

Power,

Your points are well stated. But as I mentioned in my earlier post, unless you can demonstrate that your text book and this lecturer's classes cannot solve the problems given in class, homework and exams, you won't have a leg to stand on. But even if you succeed in demonstrating an unfair bias other factors can be in play.

It is possible that your freshman class has X times the number of engineering students that they can handle in later classes. So this class has been chosen as the filter to pass only 1/X students, along with building the necessary fundamentals to continue in the program.

But I do have to say, your original question on resistivity is a very basic question. I will admit, resistivity units of resistance*unit length erroneously implies just dividing one dimension to get the resistance of a conductor in that direction. A simple check of resistivity's definition from either a text book or the web should have solved your question on your own.

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