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Pump and Motor Connections in Closed Loop Hydraulic Systems

03/18/2009 11:46 PM

In a closed loop hydraulic system..sometimes the case drain of the motor is directly connected to one of the case drains of the pump and sometimes, it is not and the drains are independenty connected to a reservoir. It would be very helpful, if someone could explain when either of the connections are made and why. Thank you.

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Re: Pump and Motor Connections in Closed Loop Hydraulic Systems

03/19/2009 12:02 PM

Case Drain flow is oil that is bypassing the internal parts of the components that would add heat to the Closed Loop. So, a typical circuit, not a Garden Tractor, has a Charge Pump that is used for control oil and all of its excess oil is sent to the low pressure side of the Loop as Flushing flow. Flushing oil continuously changes he Closed Loop volume to remove heat and contamination that wear on the rotating parts make.

The main criteria of this flushing oil return to tank is that it is at low pressuure, usually under 10-20 PSI so the pump case and motor shaft seals do not see excessive pressure. That is why most recommend the separate drains of ample size to handle the flow at a low pressure drop even during a cold startup. Running them together or into other lines is not a problem as long as there is no possibility of seeing higer than the recommended back pressure.

You can see a simple explanation of a Closed Loop circuit on page 8-18 of an Ebook I use to teach basic Fluid Power here:

http://www.hydraulicspneumatics.com/200/eBooks/

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03/20/2009 2:57 AM

Hi BudT

That link made my day. GA from me because it was just what I was looking for. Is CR4 the place to be, or what?

Thanks, Ky.

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Re: Pump and Motor Connections in Closed Loop Hydraulic Systems

03/21/2009 1:51 AM

In my opinion it makes piping simpler if the motor drain is connected to the pump drain and then to the cooler. But if they are connected separately and directly to tank, it may be to prevent pressure surges in the case of either pump or motor. If they are joined together before going to the tank then they must have check valves to prevent flows to go into either drains.

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03/21/2009 9:42 PM

The reason the case drains are connected directly to the tank with out cross connections are to prevent additional pressure surges in the case of either the pump or motor. As the units wear case drain flows tend to increase. (we use the case drain flow as dynamic diagnosis of pump/motor conditions). Separate drains allow diagnosis. As the pump case pressure increases it will also increase the compensator pressure, surges may effect the outlet flow!

A check valve "to prevent flows into either drains" is not adviseable because as the one pressure increases closing the check valve, the other drain pressure must increase to overcome the check pressure in order to drain, therefor adding to the case drain pressure anyway. The check valve typical low pressure is 5 psi and will add to case drain pressure.

Typical pump case shaft seals are only rated for 20-25 psi. max, and hydraulic motor seals may (usually as an option) approach 150-175 psi. max. Excess case pressures will usually blow the shaft seal and/or the case gasket.

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Re: Pump and Motor Connections in Closed Loop Hydraulic Systems

03/22/2009 11:40 AM

Case drain flows are not just caused by wear and tear of components. Pressure drops (my name) across clearance fits are always present. The higher the pump/motor is under pressure, the higher the presure drop, the higher the case drain flow and vise versa.

For pumps or motor(fix displacement type), the case drain flow increase as the pressure drops across clearance fits increases and vise versa.

For variable displacement pumps/motors, you have to include/consider the case drain flow across the orifices of the control mechanisms.

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