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Atmospheric Electricity and Epilepsy

06/11/2009 8:22 AM

Our son (14) suffers from epilepsy along with his other handicaps. We notice that prior to rains or snowfall he is restless. Even his sleep pattern is disturbed. We suspect that atmospheric electricity affects his body electricity, hence his brain. Does anyone know of any studies in this subject? Does anyone know of a device to measure atmospheric electricity?

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06/11/2009 5:43 PM

If it affected your son it would also affect all of us, epilepsy or not.

You live in Turkey and you hold a PhD which suggests you can afford doctors.

I suggest you leave such matters to specialists in epilepsy.

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06/12/2009 8:02 AM

Have a heart! Learn to be more tactful! Idiot!

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06/11/2009 5:49 PM

"Atmospheric electricity" is probably not the right search term to help you find answers to these questions. There is a body of literature about the effects of barometric pressure on medical conditions. Barometric pressure is a measurable phenomenon; pressure drops before snow or rain. Headaches, arthritis, and joint pain are among the medical symptoms positively associated with changes in barometric pressure.

Go to PubMed and search "barometric pressure" : it produces 861 research articles. You'll see suggested searches in the sidebar on the right to narrow the search results.. They list arthritis, joint pain, migraine, and labor as search terms that will produce a body of results. A search for "barometric pressure epilepsy" returns six items: so there is medical research available on this subject.

The same search on Google returns 14,800 items. Looks like you're not alone in having this concern! Best of luck.

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06/11/2009 10:46 PM

We're not in a position to tell you anything. Please consult a medical doctor instead.

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06/12/2009 12:57 AM

I would agree you take your son to a doctor. However, my uneducated guess is that the drastic changes in light, temperature, and other sensory stimuli would be much more likely to cause seizures.

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06/12/2009 3:42 AM

Few days back some one had narrated problem with his daughter who would go to sleep during day if it is raining or snow. Due to lack of sunlight she would feel sleepy. He had installed lamps to create sunlight in the room and his daughter felt comfortable. It is harmless treatment, if you feel you can give try after consulting the doctors.

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06/12/2009 8:47 AM

Dear Ibrahim H Caglayan,

there is more than pressure that is influencing our brain!

A.: Ions in the air: get an ion generator to stabilise the room air to the natural negative ion content.

B.: "Sferics" are electromagnetic waves (broadband) that originate from shearing air in thunderstorms and warm-cold fronts. I am feeling these by extreme fatigue 2 to 4 hours in advance, my wife is feeling these up to 12 hours in advance. The larger the temperature difference the more pronounced are the effects. The effects can be shielded by converting a room into a Faraday-Cage by undercover or over-cover of the wallpaper with aluminum foil, don't forget doors and window-shields and connect together by HF-transmitting connections and cabling. These Sferics are well extending into the high MHz range but I do not know if to GHz.

There was much research by Israel in the early 70ies as the dry "Samun" wind from the deserts to the ocean also generates a lot of Sferics by simple friction inside dry air and by moved particles.

C. Get also an air-washing and humidifying device - but be cautious - most are prone to bacterial contamination and will disperse these into the air. Only the devices that are working by pure evaporation without any spray or boiling action are to be recommended. (I got one from VENTA company here in Germany, works well by blowing air over water-covered rotating discs, don't use their bactericide but put a handful of copper or brass coins into the bottom of the water reservoir.)

I don't know how much this may help with epilepsy but I know epilepsy to be a neuronal "storm" inside our brain, so any additional input may trigger it. Just try the above recommendations.

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06/12/2009 9:07 AM

Folks,

Thank you all for responding to my mail. I have gleaned some valuable information especially regarding the effect of barometric pressure on epilepsy. I have contacted some people in the US who are doing research on the subject. I also contacted our doctor who will look into the issue. For such guidance I am truly grateful.

I can not help but touch upon some contributors who suggested I take my boy to a doctor, and as if that was not enough, brought up my degree and suggested I can afford a doctor. I am an engineer myself and had written with the hope that maybe some of my colleagues may know something that may hopefully turn things around for us. But I ended up being told "take your boy to a doctor!" (..and don't bother us with such trivialities!, I guess)... I find this callous attitude unfathomable and at best, rude. Had such people seen their one and only son go into an epileptic seizure, I wonder if they would not be seeking advice from the devil himself -as I would-, with the hope that it might bring a cure. Somebody wrote "Have a heart!" to that person and how right he is! He found the missing object!

Writing for the last time to this discussion board,
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06/12/2009 10:11 AM

Hello VibraTek,

Sorry to hear about your Son and some of his problems.

I am an Epileptic and know of several hundred people with the same condition, but, each has a different type of fit or seizure, and something that it perfect 'normal' can cause the most traumatic fits I have seen.

As an example a friend gets really bad epilepsy if something in a room she has gotten used to is moved. Another climbs down the outside of his third floor flat and wonders through the Town for several hours in his night clothes, and if stopped when in a fit, becomes extremely violent, something totally against his nature.

Others may not feel they can offer help, but as an Epileptic I think I have perhaps more insight and offer my info', in the hope it will help you to trace and may be find the elusive reason for your Sons likeliness to have fits when the weather is getting worse or better.

I suggest you take a look at the more esoteric Seizure sites, look for the unusual.

I will be looking for you so keep your eye on this site when you have time.

Good luck OK?

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06/13/2009 1:43 AM

Hi BB,

GA for you too. I'd love to help the OP, but unfortunately I have only 1 encounter with epilepsy before, and that was to apply first aid to a young man who suffered a seizure.

Hope you are better too.

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06/13/2009 5:29 PM

Hello DVader1000,

How are you?

Just to say thank you for the GA, but I cannot see which post you have given the GA on? You may have done as I do and written to say I have a GA, then forget to give it? No matter, take care.

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06/14/2009 2:29 AM

I did give you one for your reply to the OP; unfortunately, someone else canceled out my vote .

Take care anyway.

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06/14/2009 5:24 AM

Hello DVader1000,

sorry to ask this, but can you tell me what post of mine you voted for please?

I can this ask admin why the vote has been cancelled?

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No problem there, it's #8.

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06/14/2009 6:55 AM

Hello DVader1000,

How are you? And thanks for telling me the post you voted on. The only thing is, I did not write post 8. I wrote post 9. Is it possible for you to vote for me again, as the first vote clearly did not work?

I am also loosing GA's. I was at 39. When I looked today it was 36. Very odd that. I have been trying to track down the posts I got the missing GA's on and that is what I am still doing. Memory is not too bright though!

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06/14/2009 10:27 PM

Sorry, my mistake. It's #9.

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Hello DVader1000,

No problem my friend.

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06/13/2009 3:43 AM

Hi Babybear,

I surprised to note that you also are Epileptic. My neighbour was also was also Epileptic but unfortunately he got attack during driving the car and dashed against tree, he lost his life around 15 years back. I hope you are aware of such problems and carefull about driving the car.

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06/13/2009 5:24 PM

Hello suresh sharma,

Firstly let me say I applaud you for the kind way you reply to other posts!

Now, I have had several different types of Epilepsy all my life. It started with nocturnal Epilepsy, which was not to much of a problem for me, though I lost a lot of schooling because of it as I alway had to have two days off after a fit.

I started having daytime fits at anytime about 22 years ago. I have not worked since then and cannot drive. It was my choice to stop driving. There was something making me drive badly, almost crashing a couple of times. And then I had my first daytime fit (that I knew about). From that day I stopped driving. I was more worried about killing others than hurting myself.

It has meant I have very little to live on but, I cannot do anything about that. There is simple things I cannot do, like cutting the grass, and cooking for myself. Frustrating but I have to live with it!

In answer to you saying the Epilepsy will get better soon. Sometimes that happens. Mostly in infants and children. But it is not very likely in older kids and adults. The thing I would do which I have done all my life, is to find a good doctor and constantly ask about any possible new drugs that could control the fits. Things with the OP are complicated by their Son having other problems, but it is possible to lessen the fit frequency with patience.

It took me 10 years to lessen the frequency of my fits, and although I still have them, they are less serious than they were.

Take care my friend........

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06/14/2009 6:51 AM

Hi baby bear,

Thanks for your kind words.We have to help each other in such situations, just to lighten the pain one goes through. I have read history of problems you have gone through.I would suggest, if your Dr. permits you then just give try to Yoga, you have many web sites to learn from home.

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06/14/2009 7:17 AM

Hello suresh,

I have a few aches and was actually thinking of that today! Really odd that you should also mention it!

I thank you for your post. Are you OK health-wise may I ask?

I get there in the end but I do get frustrated sometimes. I find just relaxing and having no one talking or shouting helps, but I find I get tension head aches now. I find if I can send my wife out and just get stuck into CR4, I forget my worries altogether!

Take care and thank you once again.

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06/14/2009 8:16 AM

Hi babybear,

I am 68 years old retired mechanical engineer. I retired 10 years back as marketing manager of a Indo German material handling equipment company based in Mumbai, India. I belong to Hindu Brahmin (priests) family. Veggie from the birth.Non Smoker and teetotaller. That has made me having normal physique at this age. I am not suffering from any major disease but on the border of diabetics which happened after my retirement.

I go for 1 hr morning walk on seafront. Come back home and do 1 hr Yoga and breathing exercises which has kept me trim and fit.

I recommend you meditation for getting relaxed and to remain peaceful.

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06/14/2009 1:36 PM

Hello suresh,

I thank you sincerely for telling me a little more of your personal life! I to am teetotal and do not smoke or drink. Mostly! But I do eat meat. I was veggy for five years and my doctor advises me to start eating meat

I hope you manage your diabetes OK!

Take care and take time to search through the link I sent(did you get them?) to find the type of Epilepsy closest to what your Son has. You can then be sure how to treat it. It is, as you know a life long thing to find out more and more about the disease and how to treat it. My friend says I think of my illness all the time, and too much, but he dose not understand that new drugs and treatments come along all the time, and if I do not look, I will not find anything to help me!

Take care and get back to me on PM if you want at any time!

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Just a point... Those of us that suggested a doctor where admitting the fact that we are ignorant about medical issues, and feel very uncomfortable giving medical advice. We were not dismissing you.

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06/13/2009 1:41 AM

GA. While I have applied first aid to someone who suffered an epileptic seizure before, that only involved ensuring that he was made as comfortable as possible and making sure he didn't choke on his tongue or bite it off. We are not medical doctors and are in no position to give advice. At best,we can only theorize that it's possible that such factors as the stroboscopic effect of lightning flashes etc may trigger off an attack. If I know exactly what to tell the OP, I definitely would help him.

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06/13/2009 3:56 AM

Dr. Ibrahim,

Don't loose your heart if only one person in forum is rude. I suggest just ignore him. I think Epilepsy is cure able and hopefully your only son should be able to come out of it soon. Now medical science has advanced to great stage and you should get him best possible treatment. May God Bless Your Son.

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06/13/2009 5:55 PM

Hello VibraTek,

I can understand your frustration and annoyance at the remarks that you have a degree so should afford a Doctor! That is just Rude of anyone to write something like that.

This site though almost all are Engineers, some are not and there is a pretty good mix of different types of Engineering people on here.

You should glean what you can that is to help you and just ignore the rest. In most cases the advice is given in ignorance of anything to do with Epilepsy. Do not bother with the 'negative replies', just interest yourself with the more positive remarks.

Take care my friend.....................

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06/17/2009 12:29 PM

At risk of again being told to "Have a heart."

Perhaps anticipating some of the stuff that all we "experts" have offered, and being aware of all the frauds and quacks that we often find even on this board, and as well all the educated and well off folks in this country who, some in spite of money and "education" being quite crazy, in desperation fall victim to all sorts of fraud, sometimes unfortunately helped out by government agencies, I was more concerned for your child rather than for your feelings.

Still am.

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Hello Jack,

Just to say I think you remark was a fair one! Taking the posts on this thread, there seems to be a mix across the board of all kinds of opinion. We can only give our 'opinions' after all. Even if a Doctor wrote in it would still only be an opinion as we would not know his veracity, and he would have never seen the boy so could not give a 'measured judgement' reply of any kind really............All down to opinion again?

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06/18/2009 1:36 AM

Thank you Jack,

Your point is well taken. As you might appreciate, this is a very tender issue for me and sometimes I fall victim to over-reaction. Thank you for clarifying the issue and your approach.

As you said, in desperation we have been open to all sorts of quackery, also. At one time, we heard that there is a magical place in Moscow, Russia that does wonders for spastic children. My brother-in-law happened to be there at the time on business; so we asked him to visit the place and form an opinion. His observations were beyond belief. Then I heard that there is a center in Slovakia. I flew to Bratislava to form the same opinion at a serious cost. There is a center in Antalya, Turkey that puts spastic children next to porpoises and magic happens etc etc. So we gave up on these magic centers. Luckily my boy has been under the care of a wonderful pediatric neurologist in London, UK all his life. If my boy has reached his 14, we owe it to him. So he is under constant and excellent care. However, his jitteriness prior to precipitation remains to be explained and I intended to approach the issue as an engineer and was not searching for hocus-pocus by any stretch of imagination.

I explained all this, because you care...

Once again, thank you and best regards from Ankara, Turkey.

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06/18/2009 6:34 AM

Ibrhaim,

The problem with engineers, and some of them will be angry at this, is that they are generally pragmatic.

They proceed from things they know in practice "work" which means work for a specific situation and therefore appears they may work in another situation.

I am not an engineer. I have been among other things an industrial maintenance technician, a printer (Actually a printer's printer because I took the time to acquire the underlying sciences), and other things.

What I am consistently is a scientist in that I look at all things from the point of view of data and the conclusions drawn historically from the data and hence those being drawn currently from the data viewed through its history.

This latter, including watching how we think about the data and how that may affect our thinking is called dialectics.

I told you to consult doctors. At the same time you need to acquire all you can about epilepsy as on ongoing scientific study. I was struck by someone here who wrote that not all epilepsy seeming ailments are indeed epilepsy. He also wrote that each epileptic expression may be itself unique.

Obviously, especially since epilepsy involves very complex human neural systems.

Although I told you to see doctors I also have to tell you to watch the doctors but to do it as a scientist and I tell you that because while doctors rely on science, or rather the melding of many scientists in the human organism, they are also pragmatists and not necessarily at any one point actually applying scientific methodology.

But that is the point. I am no longer young and because of that experiencing the kind of phenomena that goes with our bodies trying to kill us.

I intend to be around for at least another hundred years and so when I deal with my doctors I have done the research and I carefully consider and question what they propose, medicines they prescribe, etc.

What I am trying to do, and what you ought to be trying to do, is see what are the actual physical connections between function and the underlying system, to glean from that possible causes and/or connections and as well to see that your doctors also are doing that.

Medicine, especially neurology where so little is yet understood although there is an immense data base, is a constantly developing science, and hence has to be watched with something more than the routines of the visit to the doctors office.

But enough. You get my point I am sure and you got mine about your own inadequacy in the face of all the garbage save close, scientific, collaboration with the best and most advanced doctors you can find and who will tolerate such attention and questioning and, unfortunately, afford.

I will make one suggestion. Over the years there have been, in the New York Times, articles and stories about successful treatment for some kinds of neural problems, some of it quite radical and probably not available in Turkey.

Thanks to the internet you can easily search the NYT's archive and I would suggest you do that.

Funny thing that, often directed at one or another information seeker here. I have been using computers for a good many years now but sometimes simply forget an internet search as the best source for some things.

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06/18/2009 11:16 AM

and dont even think of not writing again. write you must, see how your input has resulted in so many answers.

quite often I find doctors need to be prodded to look at things from a different perspective >

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Re: Atmospheric Electricity and Epilepsy

06/12/2009 10:59 AM

Hello VibraTek,

Check out these sites. There is only 287000, so it should not take long.

To be a little more serious, look for all kinds of NES, Non Epileptic Seizures.

The National Epilepsy Site is:

It may sound odd that the Epilepsy Society says people have seizures which are not Epileptic, but there is probably as many non epileptic seizures as true epileptic seizures. A fit is a fit, and is taken just as seriously no matter which kind your Son has.

To mention just a hint about the possible cause in your Son's case, and this is not the definitive answer! You must continue to keep a diary on what your Son does and when, this will help so take it with you when you visit a Doctor.

The cause maybe because there is more electricity in the air. See the picture, it is getting colder with damp air, so more power is sent out to heat homes right? That is just one idea. There is as many 'ideas' for causes as there is people who have the disease.

Below you will see a copy of just part of the info on NSE on the (confusingly named) NSE....... National Society for Epilepsy.

http://www.epilepsysociety.org.uk/Homepage

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=weather+induced+seizures&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

What We Do About Epilepsy Get Involved Donate Forum Shop For professionals What is epilepsy? | Diagnosis | Treatment | First aid | Living with epilepsy | Epilepsy and you | Help | Associated conditions | Podcasts | All topics Non-epileptic seizures

Explaining seizures that are not epileptic You may be reading this because you, or someone you know, have just been diagnosed with non-epileptic seizures. Non-epileptic seizures (NES) often look like epileptic seizures but they have a different cause. Here we look at the different types of NES, why they happen, and how they are treated.

Introduction Are all seizures the same? There are different types of seizures, and they happen for many different reasons. Some are caused by conditions such as low blood sugar (hypoglycaemia) or a temporary change to the way the heart is working. What seizures all have in common is that they are usually sudden, short, and cause a change in the person's awareness of where they are, what they are doing, what they are thinking or their feelings.

Some people have more than one type of seizure. For example, around 15 in every 100 people with non-epileptic seizures also have epilepsy. What is the difference between epileptic and non-epileptic seizures? Epileptic and non-epileptic seizures can look the same and have the same features. They can both happen suddenly and without warning, and can include a loss of awareness or the person becomes unresponsive, makes strange or repeated movements, or shakes (convulses). They can both cause injury and incontinence (wetting yourself), and can both happen when awake and during sleep. The difference between epileptic and non-epileptic seizures is their cause. Epileptic seizures Epileptic seizures start in the brain. Our brain controls the way we think, move and feel, by passing electrical messages from one brain cell to another. Although epileptic seizures always happen due to disrupted brain activity, what happens to the person during the seizure depends on where in the brain this disrupted activity happens. There are many different types of epileptic seizure: in some the person is aware of what is happening, in others they become confused and unaware of their surroundings, or they may become briefly 'absent' or fall to the ground and convulse (shake).

Epileptic seizures are caused by a disturbance in the electrical activity of the brain (and so they always start in the brain). In contrast, seizures caused by a condition outside of the brain are not due to epilepsy. For example, a seizure caused by a low level of sugar in the blood, or a faint (syncope) which is caused by either not enough oxygen in the blood, or the heart not pumping enough blood around the body. > More information about epilepsy Non-epileptic seizures Non-epileptic seizures (NES) are different from epileptic seizures because they are not caused by disrupted electrical activity in the brain. They have a number of different causes, and different forms, which are explained in the section on causes and diagnosis.

Other names for non-epileptic seizures Non-epileptic seizures are sometimes known by other names such as non-epileptic attacks. People who have non-epileptic seizures may be described as having 'non-epileptic attack disorder' (NEAD). These terms are not always helpful because they describe the condition by saying what it is not rather than saying what it is. NES used to be called 'pseudoseizures' but this name is unhelpful because it sounds like the person is not having 'real' seizures or their seizures are deliberately 'put on'. A newer name for non-epileptic seizures is 'dissociative seizures'. This is a helpful term because it does not describe the seizures in terms of epilepsy. It is also a useful term because it is recognised by the World Health Organisation (this means that it is included in the International Classification of Diseases: a list of all known diseases and conditions). However, the term dissociative seizures is often used to refer to one particular type of NES, as explained in section on dissociative seizures, below.

Here we use the term 'non-epileptic seizures' because it is currently a widely used term. However, further on in this article we concentrate on dissociative seizures (which is the most common type of non-epileptic seizure). Causes and diagnosis What causes non-epileptic seizures? Non-epileptic seizures (NES) can be divided into two types: organic non-epileptic seizures and psychogenic seizures. Organic NES

These seizures have a physical cause (relating to the body). They include fainting (syncope), and seizures with metabolic causes such as diabetes. Because these organic NES have a physical cause, they may be relatively easy to diagnose and the underlying cause can be found. For example, a faint may be diagnosed as being caused by a physical problem in the heart. In these cases, if the underlying cause can be treated the seizures will stop. Psychogenic NES Some NES have a psychological cause and are called 'psychogenic seizures'. They are psychological because they are caused by the impact of thoughts and feelings on the way that the brain works.

Psychogenic seizures include different types. Dissociative seizures are involuntary and happen unconsciously. The person has no control over them and they are not 'put on'. This is the most common type of NES. Some people have other psychiatric conditions that cause seizures. The best example is panic attacks. These happen in frightening situations, when remembering previous frightening experiences, or in a situation that the person anticipates may be frightening. As the name suggests, the person having them feels intense anxiety. Panic attacks can cause sweating, palpitations (being able to feel your heartbeat), trembling and difficulty breathing. The person may also lose consciousness and may shake (convulse). Some people have 'factitious seizures' - seizures that are consciously or deliberately 'put on'. One example of this is in Munchausen's syndrome (a psychiatric condition in which the person pretends to have different medical conditions so that they get treatment). These seizures are not common: most NES are not 'put on'. How are NES diagnosed?

When you have seizures your GP will usually refer you to a specialist for diagnosis. This will usually be a neurologist (a doctor who specialises in the brain) to see if the seizures are epileptic. Or you may be referred to a psychiatrist or psychologist (as NES are usually classified as a psychiatric condition). It may be easier for doctors to try and rule out possible physical causes first, including epilepsy. This will influence the types of tests you might have. NES can be difficult to diagnose partly because they can appear to be similar to epileptic seizures. There are no features that will definitely tell NES from epileptic seizures.

Taking a personal history Many of the tests used to find the cause of seizures cannot, on their own, confirm a diagnosis. Taking a 'personal history' can help to find the cause of your seizures. This includes the following: looking at your neurological history (about your brain and nervous system and its development); looking at your psychological development and mental health, including whether you have had depression or other psychiatric conditions, or have been subject to stress and trauma in the past; looking at whether there is a family history of depression or other conditions; looking at the history of your seizures, such as when they first started and when they happen; and looking at whether you have been diagnosed with epilepsy but your seizures have never been controlled with anti-epileptic drugs. What happens during the seizure Asking you about what happens to you during a seizure can be helpful to find the cause. If you don't remember your seizures, the doctor might ask you to bring along someone who has seen your seizures (sometimes called a 'witness'). The specialist might ask you about: what situations you have seizures in; whether you get any warning before a seizure happens; what happens to you during the seizure or, if you don't remember, a witness can help describe what happens to you; how long the seizures last; what you remember, if anything, about the seizure afterwards; and how you feel afterwards and how long it takes you to recover.

Tests Some tests are used to rule out other causes of seizures, including epilepsy. Medical examinations and blood tests can be used to check your overall health and see if your seizures have a physical cause such as diabetes. Scans such as CT (computerised tomography) or MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) are used to form a picture of your brain. This may show a physical cause for epileptic seizures, but would not usually be helpful in diagnosing NES. An EEG (electroencephalogram) records the electrical activity of the brain. It is often used to see if seizures are caused by disrupted brain activity, which helps to diagnose epilepsy. NES are not caused by changes in brain activity. Video telemetry involves having an EEG and being filmed at the same time. This compares what a person is doing with what is happening in their brain during the seizure, to tell the difference between epileptic and non-epileptic seizures. This can help to diagnose epilepsy (if, during a seizure, your brain activity changes) or diagnose NES (if, during a seizure, your brain activity does not change).

> More about diagnosis The specialist will usually explain the results of these tests to you. If the tests show no neurological or physical cause for your seizures, your specialist may consider a diagnosis of NES. They may then refer you to a different specialist to diagnose NES. From this point onwards, we concentrate on dissociative seizures. Dissociative seizures Describing dissociative seizures We all react to frightening or stressful situations differently. When we are frightened we might feel physical symptoms such as a racing heartbeat or feeling sweaty. When we feel sad, we might cry. So how we feel emotionally can sometimes cause a physical reaction.

When we have experiences that are extremely frightening or upsetting, sometimes they are so emotionally difficult for us to think about that we cannot consciously cope with how this makes us feel. In some cases, we will unconsciously hide or 'repress' the memory of these experiences. These memories may always remain hidden and we may never remember that they have happened. For some people the memories of these painful past events can suddenly come up or 'intrude' in to their thoughts or awareness. This might happen during an emotional or stressful situation, when there is something in the environment that unconsciously triggers the memory, or even in a situation where the person is stressed but is not aware that they are stressed. This can cause a dissociative seizure.

Dissociative seizures happen as a response to suddenly remembering the traumatic experience: the person splits off (or dissociates) from their feelings about the experience because it is too difficult to cope with. The seizure happens because their emotional reaction causes a physical effect. These seizures are an unconscious reaction so they are not deliberate and the person has no control over them. One way to describe this is by comparing it to 'domestic deafness'. Most of us have had the experience of concentrating so hard on reading the newspaper that we don't realise when someone is talking to us. This is like 'turning the volume down' to drown out what is happening around you so you can concentrate. Dissociative seizures are like the body's way of 'drowning out' a frightening or painful memory that intrudes into our thoughts.

Note: this example is from John Mellers, Consultant Neuropsychiatrist, The Maudsley Hospital. What causes dissociative seizures (DS)? Any experiences that we have, whether good or bad, can have a deep and long-lasting effect on us, and everyone has their own way of dealing with them. Dissociative seizures (DS) are often caused by traumatic events such as:

accidents; severe emotional upset (such as the death of a loved one); psychological stress (such as a divorce); difficult relationships; physical or sexual abuse; or being bullied.

It can be hard to find the cause of someone's DS. For some, they start shortly after a specific event. For others, they may not start until years later, or they may start suddenly for no apparent reason. Once DS have started, they might be triggered or brought on when the person is stressed or frightened. Or they might happen spontaneously in situations that are not stressful or frightening. Sometimes, even the fear of having a seizure can, in itself, trigger a seizure.

Finding the original event that caused the DS to start might help to find a way to treat the seizures. But this is not always possible, and it can be hard to talk about traumatic or difficult events. What are the symptoms of DS?

Although DS start as a emotional reaction they cause a physical effect. Features of the seizures can include palpitations (being able to feel your heartbeat), sweating, a dry mouth and hyperventilation (over-breathing). Some features of DS are very similar to epileptic seizures. These physical features include loss of awareness, loss of sensation, and loss of control over bodily movement (which may include having convulsions).

Two examples of dissociative seizures Cut-off or avoidance attacks stop the person dwelling on painful or stressful thoughts or situations that are happening to them in the present. This may happen when the person doesn't feel able to say they are finding it hard to cope. Seizures caused by a delayed response to a very stressful event or situation, for example, being in a war or a disaster, are a response to past events. These seizures may be part of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) - a condition that sometimes happens after a traumatic event. During the seizure the person may cry, scream or have flashbacks (sudden, vivid memories of the event). They may not remember the seizure afterwards.

Who has dissociative seizures (DS)? DS can happen to anyone, at any age, although some factors make DS more likely. DS are: more common in women; more likely to start in young adults; more likely to happen to people who have had an injury or disease, or who have had more severe emotional upset or stressful life events; and more common in people with other psychiatric conditions (such as depression, anxiety, personality disorders or people who self-harm).

Treating DS How are DS treated? The right treatment for DS depends on their cause. Your specialist may talk to you about what treatment options might be helpful, and may refer you to a different specialist. Medication If you have DS, your seizures are not epileptic and will not respond to anti-epileptic drugs (AEDs). If you are already on AEDs, for example if you were previously diagnosed with epilepsy, your specialist may suggest you gradually reduce them. If you have DS and epilepsy, you take AEDs for your epileptic seizures. If you also have anxiety or depression, your specialist might talk to you about whether other medication, such as anti-depressants, might be helpful.

Other forms of treatment Psychotherapy is the recommended treatment for DS. Psychotherapy refers to a group of 'talking' treatments. Mental health professionals, including psychiatrists and psychologists, are trained to give it. Cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) is the most often recommended treatment. CBT looks at how you think about things, how this affects you physically and emotionally, and how it affects what you do (your behaviour). By changing the way you think about things, such as how you think about yourself, other people and the world around you, this may change the way that you behave. CBT doesn't only look at what has happened to you in the past but also at how things are affecting you in the present. It looks for ways to help you to view current situations more positively and cope with stressful events. CBT can take several months or longer as it may take time for you to feel comfortable talking about your experiences and feelings.

Living with DS First aid for DS The general first aid guidelines for DS are the same as for epileptic seizures: keep the person safe from injury or harm: only move them if they are in danger; if they have fallen, put something soft under their head to protect it; allow the seizure to happen, don't restrain or hold them down; and stay with them until they have recovered.

> More about managing seizures Practical help and safety If you have seizures of any kind you may be able to apply for benefits, depending on the effect that your seizures have on you. Whatever the cause, seizures can be sudden and unpredictable so keeping safe during a seizure is important.

Keep in touch and when and if you start keeping a diary, it will gradually more obvious which type or major class of Epilepsy your Son falls into.

I spent ten years trying to find the correct drugs or combination of them, and 6 months in a Neurological Hospital to change my drugs more quickly than visiting as an out patient. Good luck and I am always here to talk to.

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Re: Atmospheric Electricity and Epilepsy

10/06/2009 4:32 AM

I don't know about the medical side of things, but it sounds like an interesting idea, how atmospheric electricity can affect the electricity of your brain in certain weather conditions. Even if the effect isn't noticable on those who aren't epileptic, or even those who are for that matter. Has there ever been research conducted on this?

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Re: Atmospheric Electricity and Epilepsy

10/06/2009 1:46 PM

Hello ally 8,

It has been a while since there was a post on this, thanks for entering the fray!

It is not just about the wires between the Pylons that generate an electrical field of some kind. The wiring of Towns and large Cities makes it hard to escape these electromagnetic fields. The surrounding wiring in office block also can effect Epileptics.

The problem is it is such a hard thing to figure out, unless you lived near a power line or under one, had Epileptic problems, then moved to an area where you are as far away as is possible from strong electric fields and the health problems right themselves?

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Re: Atmospheric Electricity and Epilepsy

10/07/2009 10:12 PM

Epilepsy was a well documented condition even prior to the industrial revolution, and no increase in its existence was noticed as things became electrified. However, there is major evidence that epilepsy is strongly related to body chemistry, brain abnormalities, and sensory input... I'm just sayin'.

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Re: Atmospheric Electricity and Epilepsy

10/07/2009 11:56 PM

Hi vermin,

No problems my friend. Everything you say is true.

I find I can see only in monochrome for a day afterwards. It effects balance, thinking, taste and all the other senses especially touch and the speed the muscles react, with the eye of course hardly working the sun is blinding.

Having said that, Epilepsy varies so much from person to person, and each person can vary their susceptibility to Epilepsy from day to day, so it is extremely hard to say any particular ache, twitch, or full blown seizure is caused by the close proximity to Electric cables of any kind.

Anyway my friend, take care.

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08/04/2010 4:11 AM

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08/04/2010 7:07 PM

Hello Davidlyle,

A very interesting post from you!

I had no idea the "www.acronymlist.org" ixisted! Thank you for that and it is a keeper for sure!

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