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Why Can You Smell Static Electricity?

06/12/2009 3:28 PM

Why can you smell static electricity? For ex when you take off a shirt, you get the static on your hair and I can smell the static. why is that?

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Re: smell static electricity?

06/12/2009 3:36 PM

What you smell is ozone which is created when there are sparks.

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06/12/2009 3:43 PM

High voltage discharges and corona effect may produce ozone, as well as nitrogen oxides from the O2 and N2 present in the air. Both have a pungent odor.

Smelling is seemingly the most primitive of senses, and it's surely the most efficient in triggering strong memory links. In my case, I had to give away an ozonizer years ago because the smell permanently made me feel uncomfortable, as if there were something wrong in the HV section of my CRT monitor.

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06/13/2009 8:53 AM

Same here. I smell ozone and I want to find the source of the HV discharge. MY wife bought an ozone generator for the car and I immediately trashed it and bought her a jasmine air freshener.

Some people like the smell and I believe it is supposed to be beneficial in some way. I'm afraid the smell sends up a red flag for me - takes me back the to the times of replacing many a burned-out flyback transformer.

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06/13/2009 10:40 AM

One thing about ozone I don't understand is. Yes i have seen in infomercials many times those Ozone machines where they are to purify the air etc. They claim this is Good.

Then why when Nature makes Ozone and it's gets high on a hot summer day it's bad for you and they put out warnings about it. Huh?

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06/13/2009 1:21 PM

You are right. Ozone generators should never be used to clean an inhabited space. The space must be vacant. Ozone is extremely effective at killing bacterias and virus. It also destroys odors. This is a very powerful oxidant. It attacks most plastics and rubbers. It is a powerful bleaching agent. In most cases, much more than chlorine.

Ozone does a marvelous job in water treatment and decontamination. Once used, it returns to oxygen rapidly instead of leaving a poisonous residue like most other cleaning substances.

BUT! NEVER BREAD OZONE!!! It is very bad for you. It does to your cells the same thing it does to bacterias and virus. In general, if you can smell it, it is too much. Get fresh air.

N.B. My company produces industrial ozone generators making Kg's of it every hours. They are used for water treatment plants. When we smell an ozone leak, we shutdown the system, evacuate and ventilate the room. This is what the professionals do. Don't listen to the snake oil vendors. Don't breed ozone.

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Re: smell static electricity?

06/12/2009 4:34 PM

Other than the the ozone created the static ionizes the molecules in the air. These ionized molecules are sensed with a different smell. Ionized air is used for oder control.

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Re: Why Can You Smell Static Electricity?

06/12/2009 6:56 PM

I don't know about ionized air, but ozone in any quantity is damaging and considered to be carcenogenic! We used a rented ozone machine to remove the burnt smell when my house caught fire a few years ago. The house had to be locked to keep everyone out until the air was flushed out after use. The machine had warning stickers all over it.

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Re: Why Can You Smell Static Electricity?

06/12/2009 7:19 PM

Change your shampoo.

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06/12/2009 7:40 PM

LOL!

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Re: Why Can You Smell Static Electricity?

06/12/2009 11:46 PM

Put dryer sheets in with the laundry to get rid of static.

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Re: Why Can You Smell Static Electricity?

06/13/2009 3:45 AM

OK, so why can I smell a rain storm before it hits? (No jokes about being part dawg either.)

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06/13/2009 12:47 PM

If the oncoming storm has a lot of lightning in it, Ozone will contribute to the pre-storm smell. The smell is strongest when the rain is approaching over sunlit pavement, and the mixed vapors formed when the rain hits the hot pavement include organic fuel-related residues. Incidently, if you are in a fairly quiet rural area and the storm contains hail cells, you can also hear a low-pitch "growling" type noise from it.

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06/13/2009 8:56 PM

I may be incorrect but I believe that moist air is a better carrier for odors (and soundwaves) add to this that every plant around knows it's going to rain, and they prepare for rain in various ways sometimes including flowering, and the fact that water is a fairly reactive substance (and a pretty decent solvent) and may interact with many common substances in an odoriferous manner it suddenly ceases to be surprising that there would be a smell associated with rain.

Everywhere you go the smell of rain is a little different, here in the Phoenix area the predominate pre-rain aroma smells of creosote bushes and dirt, a smell you come to love when it only rains once in a blue moon, in Atlanta the smell is more piney and in Dallas more grassy.

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Re: Why Can You Smell Static Electricity?

06/13/2009 9:24 AM

The wind is blowing the ozone mix ahead of the storm.

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09/19/2009 11:02 PM

Thx, your answer seems most likely what I am smelling. The weather channel says no rain or storm. But my nose says its coming. I will let you know. Thx. Everyone in the house thinks I am crazy. LOL

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06/14/2009 6:40 AM

After it snows here, you can smell the ozone. Getting shocks from static electricity is always a problem in winter when it's cold and there's snow on the ground.

The ozone in snow makes it beneficial for germinating seeds that have long dormancies. It seems that the process of ozone decomposition helps to scarify the seed, weakening the seed coat just enough for water to get in....

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06/14/2009 8:17 AM

This affirmation is hard to believe. Please add more details to support this claim.

How is the ozone getting into contact with the seeds buried underground?

While it is heavier than air, it will not sink in the ground without meeting enough organic matter to decompose it.

Maybe you are talking about the seeds still on the plants?

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06/14/2009 10:57 AM

Sorry I don't have a reference at hand for that, and it may be wrong. I don't remember where I heard this, in my farming days, so it was probably a word of mouth suggestion from a hands-on person, rather than a research paper.

At that time I was conducting trials of various tree spp, all of which have some dormancy issues and need special germination techniques. I used snow in the bag with the stratified seed with this intention: I also spread snow on top of open trays of stratified seed - since I was not aware of the considerations you raised. As you point out, the ozone would have to come in direct contact with the seed to have any scarification effect. If they are too deep to have contact it would certainly have no effect. That's common sense.

I had the false impression that melting snow contained some ozone molecules and that these penetrated the soil with the water. My bad!

It seems from your comment that my attempts to use the "snowozone" were wishful thinking! with no basis at all. I didn't do an experiment with controls, either, to assess the difference in germination rates for seed exposed or not exposed to snow. I just took the advice and the ozone explanation on face value.

There are other physical explanations why my use of snow seemed (unmeasured and uncontrolled observation) to improve my germination success rates, not least of which is the extra water that arrives just when the temperature is right.

Mea culpa for the ignorant comment. Thank you for setting it straight.

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06/14/2009 11:16 AM

On the other hand, there is this experimental documentation to support the assertion that ozone (in acute high doses for up to 90 minutes in the reported experiment) aids germination of seeds that require stratification -- who knew but google... Whether there would be any effect from the small amount of ozone released by snow, is another question.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=Eb0UrvsCPrgC&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=seed+scarification+germination+ozone&source=bl&ots=ZOT8KnX0Tf&sig=ZBkXjyGAteEbHW7ogpuKO_kR-Bc&hl=en&ei=dhE1SvGlCJjEMsnOyYYK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

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06/14/2009 11:39 AM

That is interesting. I am not certain which seeds need stratification though. There could also be other side effect as killing the good and bad germs found on the seeds and in the soil. A scientific study in a real application set-up would be needed to confirm this finding similar to a drug study.

If you ever try this, mare sure that your exposure to ozone is minimized. It is a very potent gas that is much more likely to harm you than to help you.

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06/14/2009 12:04 PM

Your cautions are appreciated! It's clear from a quick browse on the internet that ozone is hazardous even in low concentrations.

Hard coated seeds, seeds with long dormancies are the ones that require stratification: that includes most if not all tree and shrub seeds, and also some others - mainly perennials. (Off the top of my head, gentian, ginseng for example are among the herbacious plants that require seed stratification).

For less hazardous approaches, I am not so certain that the snow idea is such a bad one. Stratification is a simulation of winter conditions (cold). This is favorable to the slower decomposition of ozone in water (at melt temperatures just above freezing, say), according to the information provided here: http://www.lenntech.com/ozone/ozone-decomposition.htm . The data presented here suggest that ozone dissolved in snowmelt water could be active in the timeframe suggested by the experiment linked in my previous post - say 30 minutes or so - and that depending on the pH and composition of the soil it is possible the presence of organic matter would actually slow the decomposition of the ozone, rather than causing it to decompose on soil contact before it reaches the seeds.

The last question is, would the concentration of ozone in just-melted snow be at all similar to the parameters given for the positive germination experiments....If so, there is reason to believe that the improved germination I perceived using snow, was in fact attributable to ozone in melting snow..

What do you think?

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06/14/2009 1:54 PM

It is possible but there are so many other factors that have to be controlled to be sure.

Same goes for arsenic. You need traces of it but milligrams will kill you.

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06/14/2009 2:57 PM

Actually it would be fairly easy to design a valid experiment, controlling just the ozone. Take three (times many) samples of the same snowfall. One treatment involving stratification with untreated snow. Second treatment would require melting the snow and dissipating or otherwise removing all dissolved ozone: use ?? snow machine to reconstitute as snow and apply as before, for a control group. The third sample of snow could be used to make physical measurements: verify the dissolved ozone in snowmelt at just above zero and the rate of decomposition. Other treatments for seed would include stratification with no snow; stratification with water from another source in the same amount as the snow. Factors like seed viability and genetic variation can be handled by using reasonably large seed samples from a single source for each treatment (say n=100 per sample X 30 replications).

Of course, sometimes proving stuff isn't important.. it's the practical result that counts, in the won't harm and might help department. "Won't harm" being the first part of the reckoning.

As for arsenic, I'm with the public health authorities: there's no evidence that it is an essential element for humans.

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06/22/2009 10:06 PM

Further mysteries about megaliths

It has been empirically proven that megaliths were built for the purpose of electricity accumulation during the course of their research. Hundreds of thousands of various megaliths placed around the Earth make us think of questions for which we don't know the answer. The unknown properties of static electricity that are the basic principles of megaliths create a great obstacle not only for their appreciation but also for the progress in other fields. Static electricity is a natural force that is part of all matter. The fact that it's possible to empirically find some of its yet unknown properties hints us that something has escaped our attention in this area.

We shouldn't assess history in view of our knowledge, because it may lead us to wrong conclusions due to lack of information. An example would be language barriers. If dolmens, Logan stones, clay mounds, pyramids and other structures were built across the globe, it has to be explained, how the information needed to built them was transferred across the oceans, but also how the language barriers were solved when it was spread to hundreds of thousands of places across all continents. This can't be answered. The correct answer is hidden in the yet unknown properties of static electricity. But we may learn from this and direct our thoughts in a way that we can also learn something from the people that were living then.

It's easier to understand megalithic structures in connections. On the island Sardinia, many circular structures were built from boulders without malt. These were of many sizes and were called Nuraghas. These were built in the Bronze Age and 7000 have been preserved until present day. Nobody has answered their purpose yet. Another unexplained mystery is 40 000 circular structures in Ireland. All of those have similar architecture, but they differ in their degree of segmentation and therefore by their mass in the same way as Nuraghas on Sardinia. Similar structures are also located on Aran Islands. The greatest of them has an area of a few football pitches. It's composed of four mounds that are 1.7 meters high and their width is five meters. All the circular structures have a similar sign: they have no windows or battlement and they also don't have any water sources. There are thousands of spiky stone blocks with sharp edges (suction by a point) between the third and fourth mound, which are about as high as the rampart. In our current view there is no obvious purpose for their construction. Erich von Daniken puts these in connection with the remnants of The Great Zimbabwe and reminds us that we currently know about hundred and fifty similar places. I agree with Mr. Daniken that these structures need to be put in connection. They were built for the purpose of interconnection of the etheric raster, which is conducting and may be used to transfer information.

Every similar piece of information inspires us towards further new pieces of knowledge.

It can be deducted from the Tibetan prayer mills, which produce energy by rotation of metal cylinders by friction of two different substances – air with metal, that there aren't similar energetic sources in high altitudes to the ones in low altitudes.

In another case the Czech scientists have proved that the region under high voltage wires definitely influences the behavior of animals. Prof. Hynek Burda from Essen says: "If an animal behaves in a different way to its normal behavior under high voltage wires, there must undoubtedly be changes on its brain, cellular and molecular level."

Scientists have come with a surprising discovery last year. They found that herds of cattle, deers or roe-deers sleep and eat in such a posture that their bodies are aligned in a north-south orientation. They have now found that the animals loose this ability under high voltage wires. They behave very chaotically and stand in a way that their body is randomly aligned, unlike under normal conditions. As soon as they go away from the high voltage wires – they eat and sleep in a north-south orientation again. "The disturbing effect by the behavior of these animals can be observed up to fifty meters away from the high voltage."The scientists admit that they are opening a door into space, where they only suspect what may be hidden behind.

I can add to this new piece of knowledge that similar negative influence of the high voltage may be seen not only by animals but also by drivers. I have been observing an increased occurrence of traffic accidents on a road near my residence. There is a high voltage line, which copies the road on a section that is tens of kilometers long. I'm describing this in other former articles.

I have noted this critical distance of fifty meters from the high voltage as an important piece of knowledge and I will be checking this up further. According to my research this distance reaches into zones and it probably follows that the zones that are further from the source disperse their energetic value.

The 3D raster creates charges of static electricity. This can be proved by many experiments, which are described on my web pages. However, this is only a small hint for further research. In order to get on the right track it would be necessary to map and measure zones of the greatest charges on the Earth at first. These are sea currents, great rivers and also further zones of great constant charges.

It would also be beneficial to find out, which changes in the etheric raster are caused by 1800 thunderstorms that are constantly occurring and by the fact that one hundred lightning strikes discharge every second. Practically, the energy that is released is equal to the energy that would be released in a small nuclear war. There are about three billions of lightning strikes that strike the Earth every year and the number of thunderstorms that occur on the Earth is 16 million per year. I think that if we don't fill in the gaps of information missing in this part of physics, we won't be able not only to solve questions of ancient history but also many other present day cases.

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06/23/2009 11:10 AM

I don't suppose you want to provide some verification of your statement 'It has been empirically proven that megaliths were built for the purpose of electricity accumulation...'

'We shouldn't assess history in view of our knowledge, because it may lead us to wrong conclusions due to lack of information.' ...you are absolutely right... but unfortunately this same statement applies to your entire post because there is no support for any of your statements, I want to believe you, but I don't have the time to do the research you seem to have already done, unless your making it all up... how would I know...

If you can provide links to support your post I will joyously peruse them.

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Re: Why Can You Smell Static Electricity?

10/30/2009 1:54 AM

You are smelling your own sweat!

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