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Power Failure - No Sump Pump, Basement Floods

08/30/2009 11:39 PM

three weeks of clean-up, and what is not politely conversed so-

i got my motor-home...extension corded to the basement and started pumping.

i tore-out floors broke and repaired piping----short and sweet of this request for help and ideas.....i want a power plant similiar tothe onan in the motor home.

i can mount it under the steps....a concrete shell.

but i want it to run on natural gas, not propane or gasoline or diesel.

i want it self starting if the power goes off, is it possible to do this without batteries, but a battery pack booster, or a similiar thing as to what is emergency-back up on my computer?

i do not need a large genset....enough to run the furnace fan...natural gas furnace in house 2 -enough to run the sump-pump.and maybe a crock-pot

i think i can get a small natural gas burner, for emergency cooking.

this is all emergency settings. i forsee a possible difficulty-

power upply goes off -hydro-

emergency generator kicks in.

now how do i wire into the sump,the furnace fan, and a seperate plug for crock-pot, without it arguing against or overloading anything when the power comes on, do i need to set a seperate plug and switch for the sump pump.

i can see thet if any-one can help me here...this type of a package would be so helpfull----summer or winter, town or country.

if possible i do not want to use batteries but locate everything inside excapt the gen-set, if this could be totally automatic great, as i am not always home. ideas and feed back much appreciated.

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Re: Power Failure - No Sump Pump, Basement Floods

08/31/2009 11:25 PM

Many companies will supply emergency gen sets with automatic switches for emergency use, but I suspect the size you are looking for will not be available- too small to interest the big boys. Most smaller sets are intended to be manually started. I suspect most of the switchgear for this purpose (especially the equipment with which I am familiar) would cost about an order of magnitude more than the generator itself. Have a look at, for example, Caterpillar generators.

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Re: Power Failure - No Sump Pump, Basement Floods

09/01/2009 12:17 AM

Winco, a US company in Minnesota, makes systems that may interest you. Not cheap; but high quality US made, trifuel, auto start systems. 6kw may be the smallest you can get. Check them out. http://www.wincogen.com

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09/01/2009 1:47 AM

Check out basementwatchdog.com I know you stated that you did not want batteries in the house, but this may be the route to go. After our basement floor got covered by about an inch of water because the power went out and the sump pump stopped, I installed a basement watch dog. It has performed perfectly during several power outages. For emergency power inside the house, I use my Miller Trailblazer welder/generator. I disconnect the furnace, fridge, and several other smaller appliances from the power panel so there is no feed back into the utility lines. Then I just run cords I have adapted to fit them...............works great and it is safe.

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Re: Power Failure - No Sump Pump, Basement Floods

09/01/2009 8:31 AM

I suggest two back-up systems. The first is a 12 volt sump pump wired to as large a battery as you feel is required and a battery tender to keep the battery fully charged. This is the primary back-up system and is virtually fail safe. The second system is for emergency electricity and can be whatever you feel you require. It can be auto start, auto transfer switch, multi-fuel, etc.

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Re: Power Failure - No Sump Pump, Basement Floods

09/01/2009 9:31 AM

There is a back up sump pump at Home Depot that runs off the water preasure from the mains. It has a venturi so that when the water is on it will suck up water from your sump. This back up system does not need a battery.

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09/01/2009 10:58 AM

That is an elegant system, assuming you have city water pressure, and they don't shut it down. It sounds like a waste of water (of course it is) but the cost of the water is miniscule compared to the cost of water damage.

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Re: Power Failure - No Sump Pump, Basement Floods

09/01/2009 3:34 PM

There are lots of NG fueled generators out there. A automatic transfer will require a small battery system for the control's. The question is how far do you wish to go? A whole house transfer will require a generator that can match you full house load. Very expensive and you may not have the gas capacity to run it. The best option is to prioritize your needs. Sump pump, refrigeration, heating, etc. You than need to supply these items with a dedicated line from the transfer panel. Either way you go you will need to do a max Watts consumption, match that to your generator and than confirm if your gas meter will provide the amount of fuel required. You will also need a licensed electrician and gas fitter with experience in this field.

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