Previous in Forum: Bentley Nevada   Next in Forum: Boilers NOx Reduction by Control Systems Improvement
Close
Close
Close
9 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Associate

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 33

Pressure Sensor Conection

09/10/2009 12:03 PM

How do I connect 4~20mA output pressure sensor to a digital panel meter, and how do I confirm that the digital meter is giving the correct reading? My pressure sensor spec is 0 to 10Bar.

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Member

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Chennai, India
Posts: 8
Good Answers: 1
#1

Re: Pressure Sensor Conection

09/10/2009 11:56 PM

The pressure sensor needs a typical 24VDC power supply to power it up. In most of the digital panel meter (DPM) this power supply is built into it. Follow the below connections.

1. Connect 24VDC power supply (+) to pressure sensor (+).

2. Connect pressure sensor (-) to signal/current 4-20mA terminal (+) of DPM.

3. Connect signal/current 4-20mA terminal (-) of DPM to the 24VDC power supply (-).

This is a series connection for the 4-20mA current output to flow through the interconnected loop between the 24VDC power supply, pressure sensor and DPM.

If there is no 24VDC power supply inbuilt into the DPM, use an external power supply and follow the same interconnections as mentioned above.

If you need to introduce any other element which also requires the same 4-20mA to flow through it, break the current flow path and connect the new element in series and ensure that the polarity of the new element allows the current to flow into the (+) terminal and flow out of the (-) terminal.

Presume this answers your question.

Register to Reply
Power-User
Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member Australia - Member - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Childers, Queensland
Posts: 412
Good Answers: 5
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Pressure Sensor Connection

09/11/2009 12:16 AM

Hi Nameaspri

I've done the above before many times and I've found that the DPM (or heat/cool controller can be used) needs to be told that 4mA = 0 and 20mA = 10 (in this case). So the DPM needs to have some programmable functions to allow for this.

To include Bar in the display, I'd be tempted to just print a Dy-mo label!

Probably the best thing would be to couple the pressure transducer to the output of a dead weight tester and obtain the 10 Bar against a calibrated gauge (or another transducer that is in test). It would depend on how accurate the OP wants it!

__________________
"A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools!" Douglas Adams 1952-2001. E&OE!
Register to Reply
Member

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Chennai, India
Posts: 8
Good Answers: 1
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Pressure Sensor Connection

09/11/2009 12:34 AM

Hi,

What you say is correct. The DPM need to be calibrated to the required range. Here it is to be calibrated for 0 bar at 4mA and 10 bar at 20mA before it is connected into the loop.

There are 4-20mA current sources available which can be used for calibrating the DPM and then use it in the loop which has the pressure sensor (pressure transmitter). As the DPM is calibrated, it will read the 4-20mA from the pressure sensor and display the requried range which is 0 to 10 bar.

As you also mentioned the pressure sensor is to be calibrated separately with a deadweight tester or an accurate pressure source prior to connecting it into the loop.

Regards,

Register to Reply
Associate

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 33
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Pressure Sensor Connection

09/11/2009 11:52 AM

Thanks alot ,

I am designing a control panel for monitoring oil and water temperature for a cargo ship.The panel will be operating with 24VDC supply output from a generator.How can i protect my panel instrument from getting damaged by the high inrush current and overvoltage during generator startup. My panel instrument are design to operate with 24Vdc+/-4v.Of course for short circuit protection , i am using a fuse. One more thing is that this ship not using generator synchronizing system.

Register to Reply
Power-User
Engineering Fields - Piping Design Engineering - New Member Australia - Member - New Member

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Childers, Queensland
Posts: 412
Good Answers: 5
#6
In reply to #4

Re: Pressure Sensor Connection

09/11/2009 5:53 PM

Probably best to use two UPS units in series. A fuse wouldn't be accurate or quick enough to do any good and a multimeter would only tell you anything if you happened to be looking at it at the time!

Good luck

__________________
"A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools!" Douglas Adams 1952-2001. E&OE!
Register to Reply
Member

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Chennai, India
Posts: 8
Good Answers: 1
#7
In reply to #4

Re: Pressure Sensor Connection

09/12/2009 12:27 AM

Hi,

One option is to connect the generator output voltage to the required devices after a certain time delay. There are mechanical time delay relays/contactors available which can close/open the contacts after a certain set time interval (basically ON Delay relays). If this can work it will eliminate the power-on surge from getting transferred to the devices. Check for the electrical contact rating of the time delay relay and ensure it is adequate to carry the entire load current of all the devices when powered up.

Another option is to manually switching on the power output to the devices after the generator is started. Provided, this condition is acceptable by the user. This is simple and low in cost. This interlock is easy to be provided with self latch mechanism of the relays/contactors using its own contact. As long as the power is available from the generator during its normal running, the relay contact is closed and powers the devices. Once the generator stops, the relay opens its contact and no power is available for the devices. After the generator is started again, the relay is still off but a manual power start button will switch on the relay and one of the relay's own contact will close, to power-up the relay, even after the power start button is deactivated.

As Beej50 pointed out, UPS is also a good option. Check for the battery backup time required to ensure generator is started before that time. Too long a backup time will involve the cost of UPS to be higher as more number of batteries will be required.

There are several ways to do a task, the user has to choose the best and cost efficient way.

With best wishes.

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Mallorca, Spain
Posts: 567
Good Answers: 15
#9
In reply to #4

Re: Pressure Sensor Connection

09/13/2009 12:27 PM

H Kumarr68

From your dc power supply specification I would suppose that you are using the ship's dc battery system. If that is the case then you should not get any high voltages at start-up. However, if that is a serious worry for you then use a stabilised DC supply. This may help you:- http://www.mastervolt.com/view_product.php?lang=2&section=mobile&prggr_id=1014&prg_id=1084&pro_id=5218

OR http://www.alfatronix.eu/1482-dd-ddi-series-voltage-converters.php

DDi 24-24 07272W (3A) Isolated24Vdc input, 24Vdc output127 x 87 x 50mm450g
DDi 24-24 108108W (4.5A) Isolated24Vdc input, 24Vdc output167 x 87 x 50mm610g
DDi 24-24 168168W (7A) Isolated24Vdc input, 24Vdc output185 x 87 x 50mm820g
DDi 24-24 240240W (10A) Isolated24Vdc input, 24Vdc output217 x 87 x 62mm900g

Good luck

Chas

__________________
En la casa del herrero, cuchillos de palo!
Register to Reply
Member

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Ukraine
Posts: 5
#5

Re: Pressure Sensor Conection

09/11/2009 3:24 PM

To confirm that the digital meter is giving the correct reading connect multimeter in the loop.

Register to Reply
Associate

Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 33
#8
In reply to #5

Re: Pressure Sensor Conection

09/12/2009 1:54 AM

thanx.

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 9 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Andrei_V_Kiselyov (1); Beej50 (2); capblanc (1); kumarr68 (2); nameaspri (3)

Previous in Forum: Bentley Nevada   Next in Forum: Boilers NOx Reduction by Control Systems Improvement

Advertisement