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Thermoelectric generators

09/22/2009 8:45 PM

Germany automakers Volkswagen and BMW have developed thermoelectric generators (TEG) that recover waste heat from a combustion engine.

According to a report by Prof. Rowe of the University of Wales in the International Thermoelectric Society, Volkswagen claims 600W output from the TEG under highway driving condition. The TEG-produced electricity meets around 30% of the car's electrical requirements, resulting in a reduced mechanical load (alternator) and a reduction in fuel consumption of more than 5%.

BMW and DLR (German Aerospace) have also developed an exhaust powered thermoelectric generator that achieves 200 W maximum and has been used successfully for more than 12,000-km road use.

I copied the above off the web. I wonder how much research on this subject has been done for cooling and heating houses. I have heard a company here builds TEG's as air conditioners. They can cool or heat 1500 BTU/hr which is about 1/20th of that needed for the average house using conventional cooling/heating systems.

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Re: Thermoelectric generators

09/23/2009 11:39 PM

Cool Idea (pun intended)! I wonder if TEGs could be used to capture waste heat from power plant stacks to run support equipment?

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Re: Thermoelectric generators

09/24/2009 12:57 AM

Ronseto,

In the 50s the Soviets were using this method in remote areas to provide filament and plate voltages for radios. They used the waste heat from their kerosene lamp.

The method has been around since the mid 19th century.

Propane fired thermopiles ran telephone system microwave repeaters in the mountains during winter.

There was a Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator used on Fairway Rock in the Bering Straits Alaska from early 1960s for about 30 years to power some sensing and telemetry equipment. Some are used in remote areas. The Soviets ran lighthouses in the Arctic with them.

Most are used in our space program. An isotope is used on the mars rover to keep its temperature sensitive systems from freeze damage.

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Re: Thermoelectric generators

09/24/2009 9:01 AM

TEGs and TECs are essentially exactly the same thing (Peltier cells). You can get them at MUTR:-

http://www.mutr.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1009613

for just over £4 (about $6). There must be places in the US which do them for a similar price.

But on reflection this is a 5 Watt (electric output) device, so 200 or 600 Watts is pretty impressive.

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Re: Thermoelectric generators

09/24/2009 9:32 AM

It's a good technology. I've been using TEG's at remote RTU sites for a while now.

http://www.globalte.com/

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Re: Thermoelectric generators

09/24/2009 11:32 AM

3-4 yrs ago, i saw a demonstration, i think it was a doe project, that stacked a bunch of thermoelectric peltier devices up on the exhaust stack of a diesel semi-truck. They were able to throw away the vehicles alternator, resulting in better fuel economy for the truck. I believe the cost was around $10,000us, but, over the life of the truck, this was repaid with better milage. Pretty expensive alternator,huh.I have actually been collecting these devices out of roadkill and yardsale $2 12volt coolers and have several of them. i plan to use them to run a few led lights off the exhaust of my wood chip burner.or to charge a few small batteries. I believe they make different ones that react with different temperature ratios as well

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Re: Thermoelectric generators

09/24/2009 6:39 PM

These items are pretty cool. They can be used on large or small scale. On large scale, tests have been done using cool ocean depths and hot sunny land to have good temp differentials. On a small scale I proposed using one with the hot end on a wood burning stove and the cold end outside. Just Google Peltier devices.

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Re: Thermoelectric generators

10/13/2009 9:05 AM

The TEG isn't a NEW technology it's just a constructive use of OLD technology. A sterling engine is what is being used; although it is hybridized. It can also be found as a Differential Heat Engine or Pump.

The basics needed are a large variance in hot and cold and the pump will work. There are numerous executive toys that have a sample of this engine that work off of your coffee mug. It's a cool thing to see and can be used, with some modifications, for practical uses.

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