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Scaleblaster - Electronic Water Conditioner/Descaler

10/07/2009 3:08 AM

We're building a house in San Antonio (water hardness around 15 to 20 gpg). I was pitched a Scaleblaster in lieu of a traditional water softener. I am a computer engineer and trained to be skeptical, so I have been doing some research. Here's what I am finding:

1. These devices do not soften water in the traditional manner where calcium ions are exchanged for sodium. They instead (claim to) use oscillating electric fields to agitate the calcium and bicarbonate ions, causing them to form calcium carbonate crystals that won't "stick" to the pipes. They don't remove anything, they just (claim to) alter it in a way that it no longer causes scale. As such, they are better classified as conditioners or descalers.

2. People in general tend to be skeptical about electronic conditioners/descalers. This isn't surprising since it's a non-traditional tech so that doesn't bother me. I am more interested in quantifiable data around this specific device than I am in opinions that "I've seen those things before and they don't work."

3. The Scaleblaster seems to be the most credible of these kinds of devices. Some people claim that the results of these devices are purely qualitative and empirical based on "testimonies" but they have devoted a section of their website to the science behind their tech. There are two docs in particular that look compelling: Principles of Scale and 3rd party test lab report.

That said, I don't know enough about this or remember enough about chemistry to vet their claims.

Is there someone qualified (and interested enough) to review the two docs above (and any other data on their site), and let me know your opinion on the science?

I'm also interested to hear feedback from anyone who has experience with Scaleblasters (again, not interested if you haven't used these specific devices). Do they actually work in preventing scale? If they do work, what are the downsides over a traditional water softener?

Thanks in advance for any help!
Erik Carlin

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Re: Scaleblaster - Electronic Water Conditioner/Descaler

10/07/2009 5:09 AM

I posted a thread on this a year or two back. The consenus was that they don't work. Although some in the boiler field said they did.
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10/07/2009 7:38 AM

If it really converts calcium bicarbonate (CaHCO3) into calcium carbonate (CaCO3) like they claim, then it's going to cause even more scaling since calcium carbonate is insoluble, unlike calcium bicarbonate.

Bottom line, if they can't even get their chemistry right, then their claims automatically become suspect.

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10/07/2009 9:49 AM

For reliability of the investment, use another method of deionisation, such as ion-exchange or reverse osmosis. Make sure the resultant water is above 60ppm of Ca, otherwise it will taste unpleasant and have unwanted biological effects. Ca levels might be achieved by blending the deionised product with some of the incoming water, for example, thereby reducing treatment plant size and therefore investment and operating costs?

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10/07/2009 10:08 AM

This device could theoretically reach the water in plastic pipes, but the proposed chemistry claims are questionable.

Claims are also highly suspect just from an electrical point of view. Copper pipe will shield water inside from a static E field and any time-varying EM fields. Galv iron pipes will also shunt any DC magnetic fields around the water. So HOW is this magical device supposed to GET to the water to do ANYTHING inside a copper pipe?

Based their own electrical specs, this device could be made from Radio Shack parts for less than $20. At that price you could try one to see for yourself if it really works or not. Anything over this price and I'd PASS!

A certified water specialist in your area should be able to provide SOUND advice on which REAL water conditioning systems are best suited to your local water conditions.

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10/08/2009 12:45 AM

Here is a saltless water softener that doesn't use electricty

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10/08/2009 3:21 AM

We did some extensive study of similar devices and even visited some of the 'users'. Did not find any working.

We have gone back to the traditional ion exchange process.

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10/08/2009 9:35 AM

Morning, On my web site www.nataleenterprises.com is information on Scale Control Systems and the science behind it from multiple sources. I would like your feedback as an interested party as to the validity of the conclusions. Thanks

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11/27/2010 9:26 AM

just wondered if you did get the 'scaleblaster'? i am not as concerned about removing chemicals etc as I am in reducing or eliminating the scale that is coating my dishes and everything else. i live in clearwater, florida and it is really bad here. thanks

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01/08/2011 12:55 AM

With all the technology available nowdays, I sure wish something

like the scaleblaster would work. Where are all the legitimate inventors???

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Re: Scaleblaster - Electronic Water Conditioner/Descaler

09/04/2011 1:25 PM

We recently purchased a house, on a well, needing rehab just North of 1604 in San Antonio. We have heavy rust problems as well has having an odor. We were told we either needed a water softner or a new well or both. We have been told that Scaleblaster is being used at Fiesta Texas to treat(cure?) these types of problems. Just curious what water treatment system did you go with on your house in San Antonio?

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