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Self Running Electrical Generator

10/09/2009 12:54 AM

Am working on the device as mentioned in the title above. Am approaching it from the view of sustained energy transformation relying on the fact that a running mechanical device can have two forms of energy running together after overriding a 'break-even-point'. That is Mechanical enaergy can produce electrical energy and vise-versa with the two just running at equilibrium such that each is just able to sustain the other on a mutual support mode.

More to come.

Thanx, S. Kirathe

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/09/2009 1:53 AM

StephenKirathe, Welcome to CR4...

A little advice = I think your proposal breaks the second law of thermodynamics (AKA perpetual motion or over-unity device). The engineers here are specially partial to eating perpetual motion believers for lunch! Just sayin' you couldn't have picked a worse question.

Perhaps rephase it as a question like, "Is it possible to..."

Anyway, welcome and good luck!

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/09/2009 4:20 AM

Keep dreaming.

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/09/2009 4:33 AM

Even the best pendulum swinging in a vacuum will stop.
That is Mechanical enaergy can produce electrical energy and vise-versa ..
Yes they can, but never at 100% efficiency, and even if they could achieve 100% efficiency, there still wouldn't be any 'spare' engy to extract.
Please stop this fool's errand and expend your efforts on something more practical.
There is a long list of simple easilly mained technology required on your continent. Supplying clean water would be a more worthwhile project.
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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/09/2009 6:34 AM

StephenKirathe

These guys are just getting warmed up.

basically, look at the transfer/change in energy. It's always downhill. Again, the second law of thermodynamics. Go to Wikipedia and check it out.

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/12/2009 1:09 AM

hi,

thanx for ur knowledgeable opinion.

someone else is working on the clean water issue.

i got my own worries.

good day sir/madam.

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/09/2009 6:59 AM

This might make interesting reading, then.....

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/09/2009 9:29 AM

Never be put off by those who have read a book saying it can't be done. The person writing the book is actualy admitting they couldn't. Then so many sheep quote them thinking trying to prove they are bright.

The world is littered with going things that cant be done.

Our work for instance is a possitive action piston pump with no moving parts, it uses recycling Co2 to drive water through a recycling hydro turbine/generator.

Our next test is to see if 926 Kw is enough to raise the temperature of one gas litre Co2 +20* per second.

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/09/2009 4:00 PM

Our work for instance is a possitive [positive]action piston pump with no moving parts, it uses recycling Co2 to drive water through a recycling hydro turbine/generator.

Please elaborate on how this is possible?

Either there are moving parts [piston] or it's some other kind of method of transfer...

If you or The original poster have an actual working over unity device, you would not be here trying to convince us of this miracle, you would be busy ruling the planet

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/12/2009 2:40 AM

Hello Garth.

Perhaps I take a freedom. No moving parts is a ball suspended stationary in moving water.

Dont need comvince anyone old son.

What is is and stupidity denials wont make it go away.

Take some Carbon and heat it,it expands cool the same Carbon it shrinks.

But hey I guess know it alls like you would already know all about that.

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/12/2009 3:00 AM

Cant get more off topic than having a generator power its own heater needed to make the genenerator run!

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/09/2009 11:55 AM

Stephen, congratulations. I am one of the meanest of the mean bastards here that Vermin tried to warn you about, and you have just attracted my attention with your thread. I have reported it to Administration as an over-unity scam. You better post your mathematical proof-of-concept here in the limited time you have left before Admin very likely closes this thread down.

The clock is ticking down. Tick-tock, tick-tock.

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/09/2009 7:04 PM

From an earlier thread: Deja Vu all over again.

Hello RV2717.

You are correct in the Co2 bubble is heated, expanding to drive water before it. This piston like activity ceases when the release valve activates and allows the Co2 to pass through cooling on way back to heating creating next piston stroke.

So long as temperature outside the turbine is above +0* Celsius the turbine shall rotate at any Kw/Hp however its footprint is larger when outside temperature is low.

The one litre 926Kw/1,200Hp requires a heat of +50* Celsius, applied to the turbine casing, which can be supplied by burning Methane or any other fuel.

To calculate power output, one litre of water per second at nine bar presure produces seven hundred and twenty watts.

Example. Toshiba gas turbine-generator. 420 tonne Coal per hour produces +550* Celsius heat, creating 175 bar pressure H20 gas, producing 350 megawatts.

Co2 gas at +50*Celsius produces 10,000 bar pressure.

Co2 gas at +30*Celsius produces 74 bar pressure. 9,926 bar (+20*C increase) divided by 175 equals 56.72. +550* Celsius divided by +20* Celsius equals 27.5. 350 multiply 56.72 equals 19,852 megawatts. Multiply 27.5 equals 545,930 megawatts .

The parts required are a hydro turbine, water pipe, and one way valves.

Wikipedia can supply online phase graph (temperature versus pressure) of Co2 at Critical temperatures, and Supercritical temperatures.

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/12/2009 2:45 AM

Love it when I am Quoted.

Happy to show working model

cheers

Peter

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Re: Self Running Electrical Generator

10/11/2009 12:45 PM

Impossible!!!!!!! fact- Napoleon's dictionary was incomplete.

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