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looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/16/2009 5:27 PM

Help, i am at my witts end with an old brush bandit chipper we have. It has a 2.3 liter 4cyl ford gas engine, with electronic ignition,brain box and distributor. We have replaced everything,coil,brain box etc and can stillnot get the coil to fire. We have decided to toss the electronic end of things and would like to go to an old point type distributor, without the brain box.This is the same type engine in the ford ranger pickup truck, i believe. Does anyone know if they make,and where to get, an old point distributor for this engine?I think that ford used this same engine block before electronic ones came out, maybe in the pinto and some other vehicles. So, can i go to a point distributor, and which one would i need for this engine. Thanks in advance for any help i can get.

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Re: looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/16/2009 6:01 PM

I think that you should repair the electronics in your 2.3. The engine will run better, and last longer between plug changes. I would be happy to help you troubleshoot it over the web.

Try this. Check to be sure the coil has power when the key is on. Also check that the brain box has power at the red wire when in the key on position. If these both check out OK, turn off the key and remove the dist cap. Does all look good inside there? Look for tracking marks in the cap and rotor. Check for broken wires on the pickup in there also. If all looks good so far, place the dist cap away from your hands, and turn on the key again. This time rotate the engine until the pick up is NOT in line with any of the points that are going to turn with the distributer. Now take a steel screwdriver and touch the center of the pick up piece. Each and every time you touch and remove the screwdriver the coil should fire. It should be loud and bright blue. If not, substitute any other Ford pickup from any Ford product With an electronic distributer. If that now makes the coil fire, you need a new pick up. If not, trace your wiring till you find the problem. If you need, I can tell you where the wires on your electronic ignition system go. The system you have is a very powerful system. It will work very well and hard when repaired.

This chipper may have been rigged over the years. there are only 7 wires needed to make it run. And it will be cheaper than replacing the distributer.

But if you are determined to replace the dist, Mallory still lists distributors for this engine. http://www.malloryperformance.com/MMYApplication.aspx?makeName=ford&modelName=pinto&yearName=1974&modelDetailName=&brandID=6

Good luck.

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Re: looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/16/2009 6:26 PM

I was just using the pinto as an example i thought might be the same engine. This engine is really about a 1979 ford 2.3. will it use the same distributor as the 74 pinto would. I was just surprised that i remembered what other engine looked like it correctly.

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Re: looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/16/2009 6:48 PM

You are correct, the 2.3 was used in the 74 Pinto with points. But it is a single year only. 73 did not offer the 2.3, and 75 had electronic ignition. NAPA does offer rebuilt point type distributors under #NRD482400, or NDR482480. But be warned, you will need to also replace the coil. and spark plugs. The wide gaps used with electronics would quickly foul with points. You will also need to install a ballast resistor into the system to get longer than a week out of points. One more thing, you will need to make up new wires to run to the coil and ignition switch. Fix the Duraspark system.

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Re: looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/16/2009 6:36 PM

we arent too worried about the engine not being in top working order, as long as it will sputter along for a few hours a week is good enough. We are just tired of the electrical problems, and want quick, easy operation. Power is going to the brain through a new(it was missing)resistor on the pigtail with 2 wires.The yellow wire is the one that goes hot when key is turned on.The resistor was missing,so we replaced the brain with a new one in case it was bad. when the switch is on, the coil pack recieves power.We got a new coil anyway. I will try a few other things you said and get back in touch. thanks, charles

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Re: looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/17/2009 12:35 AM

I am assuming that this engine uses the duraspark ignition system? The Duraspark module would be about 4" square and about 1.25" thick. That ignition system is a very reliable system. Before you toss the baby out with the bathwater, do the basics and properly test the system. If you keep the Duraspark system, your engine will have more power and use less gasoline than it will with an ignition point system, plus it will not need near as much maintenance as an ignition point system will.

The system is very basic. It uses a variable reluctance trigger in the distributor to trigger the transistor in the ignition module. You can test the system with a digital volt meter, although an oscilloscope will be way better for a test instrument. If the wires between the distributor have been switched around, the engine will start, but not run, since the ignition timing will be way far advanced. The Module has a key on power to it, which is ran through a resistance wire, or in the case of your industrial unit, it might be just a ceramic ballast resistor in the primary ignition feed circuit. This should cut the voltage down to around 7 volts when current is flowing through the coil. There will be one wire that is battery voltage during start. This wire will come from a terminal over on the starter relay. Then there is a ground wire, which will be black. This ground wire should run to the distributor, so that both the module and the distributor are grounded together. A wiring diagram of this system would be a great help!

I don't belive I have ever found an ignition point distributor for a 2.3, unless you can find something from the late 70's. The pinto might have used one, but it would be from a 2.0 engine. A mercury capri might have uesd something like this, although this stuff is getting a little on the old side.

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Re: looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/20/2009 3:15 PM

The 2.0 is the same engine. I think it actually started out even a little smaller than 2.0 liter. 1.6 perhaps. This engine was still in use in the early 90's in Thunderbirds and Mustangs. should be easy enough to find bone yard parts.

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Re: looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/23/2009 3:42 PM

the early 2.0(and 1.6) is NOT the same engine as the 2.3! almost nothing will interchange.you can find 2.3 points type distributors on early(74) Pintos,Capri's and Couriers.

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Re: looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/27/2009 11:04 AM

My ranger PU had a 2.0 liter. It was IDENTICAL to the 2.3. The only difference was that it was destroked. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two. The distributor would interchange!

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Re: looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/27/2009 9:55 PM

The replacement distributers listed for the 2.0 and 2.3 are different in the NAPA catalog. If it does fit, the OP will still need to replace the coil, plugs. and wiring between. And then he will have lost all of the built in advantages of electronic ignitions.

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Re: looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/28/2009 7:47 PM

Thanks,everybody. We went ahead and found someone to repair the old duraspark system. The resistor ballast was not in the unit when we got it, so that burnt out the control box. Actually, the result was bad coil, bad box, bad alternator and bad distributor so now its running fine on used parts. $250 well spent.

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Re: looking for 2.3 ford point type distributor

10/30/2009 9:48 AM

Glad for you in two ways, first your 2.3 is running, second, you are back to the electronic system. What color is the rubber grommet that seals the wires exiting your control unit. That is the most common part to fail on the Dura-Spark systems. When you find someone selling one of these at an inexpensive price, buy a spare. They usually fail when hot. Try to keep yours cool when the eng is running. If the ECM fails, you will be able to rust plug in the spare and continue. Best of luck.

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