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Shearing in Gear Pumps

10/28/2009 3:02 PM

We use gear pumps at our site for shear thinning fluid. I am told our fluid is polished by the shear due to the flow thru the gears. The gears don't contact (thanks to timing gears) however very small clearance (like thousand of inch?) between them add shear (as per site engineer). Machinist said we don't have shear as the gears don't contact and we can get shear by having them contact. Does this sound right? I understand what of them; but at the same time don't understand. Also, what will be the problems with metal to metal contacts (as would b the case when gears contact)?

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Re: Shearing in Gear Pumps

10/28/2009 3:59 PM

Hi gtg,

Any fluid passing between two surfaces with differing velocities will experience some shear. In the set-up you describe i think that more pumping is achieved than solely shear but both at the entrance to the "nip" of the gears as well as the exit the fluid will be shearing as the fluid contact the first gear will want to follow that gear i.e. stay in contact with the gear and the fluid contacting the other gear will likewise do the same. But due to the gears co-rotating a element of velocity is added as the gears are pushing fluid out of the trailing edge of the nip and pulling fluid in at the leading edge. So pumping is achieved to an extent.

Your machinist may be confusing terms because having the gears contact will increase the flow induced by the gear creating a true pumping action. This usually increases the pressure on the outlet side of the pump depending on viscosity of the fluid and the specific shape of the gear teeth. Also a newtonian fluid will typically thin when work is done to it. A gear pump not only moves the fluid but shear losses, friction, and non-isotropic compression decompression cycles all add work and heat to the fluid which typically reduces viscosity, therefore thinning the fluid.

If no pumping is needed a more effective method of adding shear to a fluid would be either counter rotating smooth rollers, or rollers rotating at different co-rotational velocities. Or just a simple stirring mechanism. These all are more efficient at inducing shear because of more distinctly different fluid movement vectors. The gear movement is parallel at the point of intersection of the gears and only chnges as the arcs of the gears move apart. For counter rotating rollers the vectors are opposite (therefore doubled) at the same point.

My thoughts would be that the gear pump is designed to add some shear to the fluid as well as adding pump head (pressure) and maintains a small gap so that the fluid acts as a lubricant preventing wear. Totally meshing gears that contact one another will wear much more quickly. The gap on your gears is probably small enough that fluid friction prevents a loss of pumping power.

-T

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Re: Shearing in Gear Pumps

10/29/2009 1:33 AM

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the property of the term shear in this context? Also polishing the fluid? I am a layman, have very basic understanding of fluids in rotating machinery, viscosity, fluid wedge, Yes. Nip, shear ,polishing; not so much.

If you could lean the answer in a less technical direction it may be easier for me to understand.

Thank you

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10/29/2009 8:43 AM

Of course I will try to state a little more clearly,

Nip is referring to the point where the gears mesh, if they were simplified to two circles it would be the point where the two circles touch. I use it to speak of any point where there is contact, or the gap is so small that it is nearly contact.

Shear is a little more difficult to explain so bear with me. Fluids by nature "want" to stay in contact and have little to no internal movement. A way to think of this is a bubble or drop of water, the water molecules pull together due to not only surface tension but internal forces as well. Because of this property if something is submerged in a fluid the fluid "sticks" to the item, think of motor oil or cooking oil (trying to think of good household examples). If you dip a finger into one of these very thick fluids and pull it out the fluid to somextent will come up with your finger before it drips back off, and some residue is normally still on your finger. Shear is a force which overcomes this "stay in contact" force. A way this was explained to me was a block of Jello, if you have a square of Jello and you move the top to the right and the bottom to the left it will first become a trapezoid and then will eventuallt tear, leaving you with two pieces of Jello. Shear is essentially breaking the internal forces holding the fluid together. For something like Jello it is a larger force and more easily seen. For a less viscous fluid like water or oil it takes less force.

Another way I like to try and explain it is shear is like cutting, if you think of a fluid as a bunch of large units (like a jar of marbles) and you shear it sufficiently it becomes a bunch of smaller units (like a jar of sand). But with shear as the fluid is allowed to sit still the internal forces return it to larger units.

The gears in your set up I liken more to taking the jello and pulling the top up and the bottom down, where two rollers spinning opposite would be like the first example pulling opposite directions.

Polishing a fluid is not a term I am familiar with, I do not know if your fluid has particles of solids in it in which case the solid particles may be broken down by the gears, or if the particles are rough the working of the fluid may polish the particles, like rocks in a stream bed. But if it refers to polishing the fluid itself that term is new to me. Possibly it could refer to mixing two components more thouroughly or could be another term for shearing a fluid, I am not sure.

Hope I have clarified some of my techno-speak, sometimes I rudely forget that not everyone had to learn how to interpret the babble coming out of my professors' mouths.

-T

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Re: Shearing in Gear Pumps

10/29/2009 11:50 AM

excellent, clear answer. You hit my knowledge and comprehension level spot-on.

Thanks,

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10/29/2009 11:57 AM

Is there a relationship between resistance to shear and viscosity? I understand that some lubricants are made -up of long -chain polymers and that during use the lubricant will degrade due to the polymers getting broken down mechanically? Is this true?

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10/29/2009 2:44 PM

I believe that resistance to shear and viscosity are the same thing for newtonian fluids. But there are some fluids, ooblecks, thixotropes, etc. that don't obey conventional behavior. Very cool stuff but in general yes the higher a material's viscosity the higher its resistance to shear, honey is hard to stir water is not.

As far as the polymeric fluids go I believe you are correct that most long chain polymers will degrade with work added but I can't say for sure. My experience with polymers is relegated to plastic extrusion on a learn as you go basis, but I know in that case you can heat a polymer too high, as well as work it in the extruder for too long degrading the material, so i would think a fluid behaves similarly in your case as my experience was with a melted, therefore fluid, polymer, albeit at much higher temperatures and pressures than I expect your application sees.

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Re: Shearing in Gear Pumps

10/29/2009 4:24 AM

Both the machinist and the engineer are correct, neither are on the same page but are separated by a common language.

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10/30/2009 2:05 AM

Though gear pumps are very common and popular, I've seen quit misconceptions about its working principal. There are many interesting discussions possible on this type. Before touching the relevant discussion whether the gears do or don't contact, I like to post a primary understanding about this type of pumps.

For the shown pump, what is the direction of input rotation, looking at the drive shaft?

Well, experienced may tell readily, but ask the fresher and recruits. I was surprised when asked.

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11/01/2009 11:14 AM

For the picture shown the driven shaft rotation is clockwise. The fluid is pumped around the outide of the gears. The original question stated that the fluid is sheared by flow "through the gears" The only flow in that direction would be a small amount of leakage flow from the high pressure side back to the inlet side. I suppose that there is shearing of the fluid as their is some nominal leakage flow. I do not see how this would "polish the fluid" unless large particles are being physically ground up between the meshing gears.

Polishing the oil in hydraulic vernacular implies removing of contaminants, often by pumping it with the type of pump shown through a filter of the appropriate style to remove the type and size of contaminants that the appication requires.

Need to know more about the application to potentially be of assistance.

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Re: Shearing in Gear Pumps

11/01/2009 9:51 PM

Excellent answer. I wished this understanding to have come from OP.

"The only flow in that direction would be a small amount of leakage flow from the high pressure side back to the inlet side. I suppose that there is very less shearing of the fluid as there is minimal leakage flow (slip)" is good analysis.

Surprisingly many, even experienced, think the whole flow passes through the gears.

A modified version of this external gear pump comes with an explicit set 'synchronizing/timing gears' in addition to the functional gears. This means two sets of gears (four gears) in all. One set of gears to handle the pumpage and other set is to provide the right drive for the former. They work in separate enclosures. The advantages are: pumping gears can be of corrosion resistance materials like polymers that cannot handle the driving torque as well. While the driving gears would retain the required design properties like 'backlash, running clearances, etc', the pumping gears can be with near zero backlash and have advantage of near zero slip. Or the pumping gears can have excess backlash (of course compromising the efficiency a bit) such that the pumping liquid would not get subjected to shear.

I request OP to elaborate more on the kind of pump he has. May be scanned sectional view could help.

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Re: Shearing in Gear Pumps

10/30/2009 10:43 AM

Everenlightened & yesyen, Thanks a lot for your insights. I will need to chew a bit on these. I will have more questions then.

Everenlightened, The intention of the gear pump is primarily to provide pump head and shear is the "by-product", if you can say that.

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