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99 ford ranger with no brake pedal at all

11/07/2009 11:56 AM

I have a 99 ranger and resently I have changed both front calipers and the master cyl. and the rear springs, wheel cyls. and shoes. After changing all these parts and bleeding the lines i have no pedal. I have hooked it up to a computer to command it to bleed i manually bleed the lines and also used a pressure bleeder and still no pedal. I was told that i could have the calipers on the wrong side as in left to right right to left. Is that ture? Please help me i really don't want to put anymore parts on.

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Re: 99 ford ranger with no brake pedal at all

11/07/2009 1:34 PM

If you have really bled everything, and get solid fluid (no air) out the caliper bleeders, then the master cylinder is either defective, or was not 'bench primed' to get the air out of it.

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Re: 99 ford ranger with no brake pedal at all

11/07/2009 5:08 PM

If you need to bench bleed it, you will need a bleeding kit. Most master cylinders come with them. It would be two plastic fittings, male pipe to hose bib and two short tubes. Screw fittings into master cylinder, after removing the brake lines, and run the tubes back into their respective reservoirs keeping the ends submerged.

Gently pump the brakes 5-10 times or until no air comes out of the submerged tubes.

Then bleed the brakes again, starting with the longest run from the master cylinder to the shortest.

Or, have it towed to the shop.

Good Luck!

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Re: 99 ford ranger with no brake pedal at all

11/08/2009 4:40 AM

As a former GM senior brakes engineer, I can say that I was several times called out to our dealers all over the country, to investigate this sort of problem where "experienced and qualified" staff had bled the brakes and found there was still a problem of brake pull or poor performance.

Yes make sure that the master cyl is properly primed. But most of all, brake bleeding when you have a problem is a job for the proper automatic bleeding kit - as used in the factory - or for THREE people. One at the fluid reservoir, one at the brake and one at the pedal. Do it really carefully, and slowly, and get the job done right.

If you still have a problem, put pipe clamps - from your autoparts shop - on ALL of the flexi hoses and test the master cylinder alone. Then analyse where your problem lies by removing the clamps one at a time.

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Re: 99 ford ranger with no brake pedal at all

11/08/2009 10:34 AM

I personally find that accidental swapping of the front brakes is most unlikely......and even if possible, that would not cause the problems you are having......

I tend to agree with another poster, either the master cylinder has got unpurged air or it is defective......assuming that no oil leaks out onto the floor, or into the inlet manifold (start engine and look at the exhaust color, though a cat makes that more difficult to see!)

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Re: 99 ford ranger with no brake pedal at all

11/08/2009 10:42 PM

As an easy test, open the rear wheel cylinder furthest from the master. Open the bleeder, and have an assistant push the brake pedal to the floor. There should be a solid stream of brake fluid coming out of the open bleeder. If not you have air somewhere, a bad master, or a master that is not allowed to return all the way, thus not being able to sake another drink of fluid from the reservoir. You might try loosening the master from the booster by 2 complete turns of the master cylinder mounting nuts.

If you place your finger over the open bleeder, you can safely allow the pedal to return for another stroke of the master.

This is a test only. Use a pressure bleeder until you are certain you can bleed properly. Good luck.

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Re: 99 ford ranger with no brake pedal at all

11/09/2009 1:13 PM

This is a repeat of a answer I gave a while back:

They have a tool for "bench bleeding the master cylinder, you would be surprised at how many techs do not bother to bench bleed the master cylinder correctly or the they don't know how. I work for a remanufacter of auto parts, Brakes being division that I work at.

http://cardone.com/English/Club/Service_Plus/10908BBF%20bench%20bleeder%20flyer.pdf

there's a link at the bottom of the pdf that shows a video clip for bleeding the cylinder

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Re: 99 ford ranger with no brake pedal at all

11/11/2009 10:28 PM

One simple trick that helps with getting latent air out of a master cylinder is to "feather" the brake pedal lightly with your hand.

Have an assistant look for air bubbles floating up from the pistons as you do this.

And NEVER EVER LET THE MASTER RUN DRY!!!!

This will cause you more aggravation than you need in a lifetime.

Reversing the calipers is a difficult task, and will usually not leave enough hose for the wheel to turn, or the banjo bolt to even be attached.

As long as the bleeder (top) is above the level of the banjo bolt (bottom), it should bleed all the air out of the caliper reservoir.

I just did front calipers on a Subaru, and they are made so well, they were air free from gravity bleeding. And, to error on the side of caution, I normally change the brake hoses when I change a caliper, in case the hose collapsing was part of the cause of caliper failure. They can, and do collapse, and will trap fluid in the caliper, even causing a brand new one to "hang up".

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