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Effectiveness in cooling a drink with ice than water?

11/07/2009 3:32 PM

Why a cube of ice at 0 deg c is more effective in cooling a drink than the same quantity of water at 0 degree centigrade?Please anyone can give me correct answer?

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Re: Effectiveness in cooling a drink with ice than water?

11/07/2009 3:49 PM

Because it takes more heat for the state change between solid and liquid.

Ice will absorb heat as it changes states between solid and liquid. Water at 0°C has more BTU's than ice at the same temp.

If you look at it molecularly, a solid is a very dense form of a material. The molecules are very close together. As more thermal energy is added the molecules separate and it becomes liquid. Water at 0°C is still a liquid and the molecules are closer together at that temp than they would be at 50°C but not nearly as close as the solid form of water (ice).

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11/07/2009 4:15 PM

You said, "Water at 0°C is still a liquid and the molecules are closer together at that temp than they would be at 50°C but not nearly as close as the solid form of water (ice)."

Water at about 4ºC is more dense than ice. Else the Titanic would be rusting away in a Malaysian breaking yard.

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11/07/2009 4:31 PM

Ok you are right, but why? Is it because the crystalization process increases the volume of a certain mole of water?

But...just because I was wrong about the density of water am I right about the state change absorbing more heat than just inserting the same quantity of water?

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11/07/2009 5:11 PM

Yeah, you're right about the latent heat. The max density thingy is more complicated than I can usually even attempt to say. Here's somebody who is actually clear.

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11/07/2009 5:51 PM

Start by clicking here

and then go here:

http://www.howeverythingworks.org/supplements/water_steam_and_ice.pdf

(In short there is a fair amount of energy required to change ice to water - the entire process occurs at a constant 0 deg C)

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11/07/2009 6:42 PM

Good information on the How everything works website. Enhanced my understanding of the Joules required to change ice to water. It defines the statements I made above.

I know it is easier to just cut and paste a link to some good information, but there is something to be said for paraphrasing and laymans terms.

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11/07/2009 7:41 PM

Perform a web search for "Phase change".

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11/07/2009 11:26 PM

Because it take 80 calories to turn one gram of ice into one gram of water at 0 degrees C.

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11/08/2009 1:46 AM

Concepts of latent heat and sensible heat are to be understood to explain this problem. Ice which is solid at o C gives up its latent heat till it becomes water at 0 C and hence when we put ice it adds cooling process.

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11/08/2009 4:34 AM

A = Sensible heat of ice

B = Latent Heat of Fusion

C = Sensible Heat of Water

D = Latent Heat of Vapourisation

E = Sensible heat of steam (Superheated Steam)

When looking at this graphical representation of water from Absolute Zero to Superheated Steam you will notice that the majority of heat is absorbed (or given up) is during the phase changes........which is Latent (or hidden) heat, i.e. there is no temperature rise during the change of phase.

However, the amount of Sensible Heat. when a temperature change occurs, is of much smaller quantities.

Therefore in answer to your question when you drop an ice cube in a drink you have the larger amount of Latent Heat as the ice melts and once the last skerick of ice melts you have a small amount of Sensible Heat as the drink and melted ice reach the same temperature.

When you only put cold water in your drink you only have a small amount of Sensible heat absorbed as the water and drink reach the same temperature

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11/08/2009 1:07 PM

Additional Latent heat of melting is required to melt the ice, which is not the case with cold water at same temperature hence ice cooling brings the temperature lower.

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11/09/2009 10:08 AM

Don't agree, water is thermally 25 time more conductive than air. Assuming a bottle is placed in ice there will be air pockets between the ice and bottle reducing the overall efficiency of the cooling process by lost surface area contact. I would place a little water with the ice to fill these gaps to promote greatest allowable cooling time and efficiency. Granted, if the ice could be formed to the exact shape of the bottle without an air-gap?? then the ice wins because same dencity water cannot be water and ice at 0 deg C at the same time

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11/09/2009 10:18 AM

Spoken like a good beer-drinking fisherman! You are quite right from a practical point of view.

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11/09/2009 10:38 AM

Thank you and yes, got my "practical" looking into a cooler box hoping the fish won't take a bite besides there's a time constraint, who wants interuptions when you have a potential thermal crisis?

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11/10/2009 5:36 AM

Commonly called an "ice slurry".............and to keep large quantities of fish at the same temperature in the slurry the slurry must be stirred regularly, as water is such a poor conductor of heat.

Case in point.............when harvesting tuna from the farms they were finding that because of not agitating the slurry many fish were spoiling.......they were getting too "warm" in the slurry.........due to poor conduction..........regular stirring of the slurry overcame the problem.............and these fish were worth big money in the Japanese market.

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11/18/2012 11:39 AM

Dear Friend,

Ice in SOLID FORM, when MELTING and turns to WATER, RELEASES THE LATENT HEAT WHICH IS HELD IN THE ICE. This Latent Heat is known as LATENT HEAT of FUSION of ICE, and hence,COOLING WILL BE MORE EFFECTIVE.

The Latent Heat of Fusion of ICE is 144 B.T.U/Pound. ( I studied Engg. in FPS System and in METRIC SYSTEM the Latent Heat of Ice will be 252 Calories/Gram - I am not sure, pl. check it up)

THE WATER, IN LIQUID FORM near ZERO Degree Celsius, DOES NOT HAVE LATENT HEAT of FUSION, where as ICE is having 252 Calories/gram

In the same way, One Kg. of STEAM at atmospheric pressure at 100 Deg.C will release 540 K.Calories of Heat to change to water where as one Kg. Boiling Water at the same Temp. of 100 Deg.C will release only 100 K.Calorie of Heat.

That is why an injury in our body caused by Steam will be more severe than Hot water - the Reason, due to 440 K.Calories of Heat the LATENT HEAT known as HEAT OF EVAPORATION is RELEASED INSTANTLY causing severe injury.

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