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Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/28/2009 10:55 PM

Hey guys,

I have a 12v solar panel array of 575 watts which are charging a 12v battery bank of 5 deep cycle batteries connected in parallel. Of all the connection diagrams that I have researched it shows to hook up the panels to the lead battery of the bank along with the inverter, controller etc. The problem I see is that it seems to cook the crap out of the lead battery more than the rest of the bank. The deversion/controller kicks out at 14.5v. When it does, the first battery levels out down to the rest of the battery bank level below the 14.5v, around 13. This now trigers the controller to charge again. Basically my relay on my controller is clicking on and off constantly. These are all brand new batteries. Seems like since they're all hooked up together they should charge the same. Should I change my charge location? like in the middle of the bank. All diagrams don't show such a hookup, was hoping for some inspiration.

The solar panel output is 18.5 volts dc

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/29/2009 1:13 AM

That's about 40 amps charging current.

What is your load current?

Are your new batteries all the same model?

Are they well connected with 8 gauge wire or thicker?

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/30/2009 1:26 AM

Hello Jerry48,

This is just a thought, and the 'in series' batteries would be a nonsense......... But, have you thought about connecting each battery separately to the Controller, just to see what happens? It would mean having five lines rather than one, but, as long as there was enough room in the connection side of the controller it may be worth it and it would spread the load, which does not seems to be happening at the moment, at least not very efficiently.

Can you try a different controller or perhaps borrow one to see if the fault may be with the controller. I am pretty sure you know what you are doing, and this is just a suggestion, OK? No insult intended.

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/30/2009 1:56 AM

Dear Friend

Are all 5 batteries identical in all respect or not? If yes, then load is low, conversely power plant rating is higher for given load. Pls. confirm battery capacity & inverter rating.

You could either increase your load and if that is not possible then remove 1 panel and see the behaviour. If it is still behaving in same way then you can try removing 2 panels. Nothing will happen if batteries get deep discharged.

Thanks & regards

Ashok Toshniwal, Bangalore, India

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/30/2009 4:01 AM

All my battery cables are No. 2 gauge.

All batteries are identical and I bought all at the same time - 12v 115ah - hooked up in parallel for a 12v system.

I'm now trying hooking my positive from the solar panels to the lead battery positive and the negative from the solar panels to the negative of the last battery of the bank to see if I get more uniform charging. Don't know if it will make a differance since they're all cabled together so I'll have to let you know what the result is.

This house is one that I'm remodeling so since I'm not living there the only loads I have on the system at this time are lights on a timer for security and power tools.

My controller is a simple design that monitors battery voltage and activates a large relay for a dump load that will be a 12v water heater element but for now is just a disconnect.

I've monitored the battery voltage with a volt meter while the controler is in operation, and sure enough the lead battery voltage is rising higher than the rest of the batteries in the bank and triggers the dump control. But as soon as the relay disconnects, the lead battery voltage calms down to the voltage of the rest of the battery bank and now tells the control to charge again. That's what gave me the idea of moving the solar panel negative to the last battery negative. I'm also going to move the controller battey monitoring cables some where else on the battery bank other than on the lead battery.

I may just have a bum battery, but it's boiling the lead battery enough that its spitting out water from the cell caps but not from the other batteries.

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/30/2009 4:18 AM

Dear Jerry

Check specific gravity of each battery. If it is high, in any of the cells, then add distilled water to make it uniform.

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/30/2009 9:26 AM

Yeah I had the same thought. Didn't make since why one battery was boiling more than the rest. All connections look clean, new batteries, new cables, just one battery is acting strangely. Not over heating or swelling just getting a higher voltage than the others and boiling out, crazy,

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/30/2009 4:03 PM

Jerry,

Somethings fishy here. There's no way you should have ANY significant difference in charge/discharge voltage on a bank of batteries connected in parallel with #2 gauge wire!!

UPDATE: just went back to re-read some of the comments, and I see that BLINK has covered most of what I would have said, beat me to it! As he said, I'm going to guess a bad connection somewhere.

Blink gets a GA from me for beating me to it

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/30/2009 11:09 AM

Good. Wire is heavier 2 gauge which should be fine. I do like the idea of a dump load into a 12V water heater element. Basically free hot water after the bank is fully charged. Just make sure the element stays submerged ;-)

Your test of the connection at the other end of the bank or even in the middle should help. If the first battery still boils, then your wiring is good and that one battery needs help. If the battery nearest the new connection boils, your wiring/connections need work.

May be more effort than it is worth, but setting up high current +/- bus bars or a "star" wiring configuration (instead of the "daisy chain") might solve the problem.

An "all or none" charger will be ROUGH on your batteries. They will be much happier if you can find a charging scheme that provides a tapered top-off charge and then a reduced maintenance charge.

Best wishes.

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/30/2009 8:50 AM

If you receive direct current from the solar panels, and you are charging direct current batteries, why do you need an invertor before the batteries. Invertors convert dc into ac, and in setup using battery banks, the invertor should only be after the battery bank to supply your ac load; make sure you are not feeding alternating current to your batteries.

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11/30/2009 9:19 AM

Yep the inverter is after the battery bank not between.

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/30/2009 9:13 AM

It could be that your battery cables are too light, or you could have loose/contaminated connections on the battery terminals. Is your regulator adjustable? Lowering the cut-in voltage to 12.3 V would help. Does the controller provide multi-stage charging? You may be trying to dump full charge current into the batteries while they are fully charged, when you should only be supplying a trickle "maintenance" charge. The water heater should help with this.

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/30/2009 10:50 AM

If you get the last three issues of Passage Maker Magazine (at your library), read it ALL, even though it is for a boat system and diesel engines. ESPECIALLY the part of the article describing the IN and OUT terminals for the battery bank and how they are determined and wired into the control system and to the inverters. You could take the LONG way and keep messing around or the short way and really know exactly why your problem is occurring. Please read the whole article. Boats are incredibly difficult to wire and ground and electrically protect. Studying such articles and nautical wiring books will give you much greater insight. Regards, mog (40' solar powered yacht)

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

11/30/2009 3:10 PM

With 2 gauge wire and only 40 amps maximum charge, it should be nearly impossible for two parallel batteries to have significantly different voltages: the voltage drop across 2 gauge wire is not anywhere near that high at 40 amps. Therefore, there is either a bad connection (likely it you did not wire brush all terminals), a crack in the inter-cell connections in the first battery, or the like.

With the system on full charge, (first discharge all batteries to 12 volts) measure the voltage drop across each and every connecting wire. With 2 gauge wires, it should be very nearly unmeasurable, and certainly not close to .1 volt, let alone full volt(s).

If there is any significant voltage drop between batteries the interconnection wiring is probably your culprit. (Causes: unclean battery-wire connection, faulty crimp connection on terminal (I do these in a hydraulic press). You can (still with the system on heavy charge) measure the voltage drop across each connection (battery post to terminal, terminal to wire itself [pierce insulation if necessary], wire terminal to wire terminal, etc). At one of these checks the voltage drop will show up, and you've found your bad connection. Even a rather badly sulphated battery will pull down the voltage on a whole string of parallel-connected cells if the interconnects are heavy and in good condition.

My guess is that that one interconnect between battery 1 and battery 2 is defective.

The ordinary grey oxide on lead battery terminals is not conductive, so it is possible to have a tight, clean-appearing connection that does not conduct well. (Ordinarily, the tightening cuts through the oxide, but not always.)

You should have a more sophisticated charge controller, with the maximum applied voltage limited to 14.4 volts, and with maintenance voltage limited to 13.8 v or (better) the battery supplier's recommendation. At 13 volts, the charge controller should not cycle to provide full charge current; instead, it should provide a trickle charge to maintain the float voltage (usually 13.8v). Cycling on to provide bulk charge (full amperage) should occur at a lower voltage than 13v.

If all connections are good, with 2 gauge wire, the connection points should make no measurable difference: positive could be anywhere along the positive side, ditto for negative.

If one battery has been spitting up and gassing, after the interconnects are working, you may need to adjust the ph levels to equalize them on all cells.

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

12/01/2009 5:54 AM

Hi Blink,

GA to you Sir

Good luck

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

12/01/2009 4:22 PM

The best design for solar systems is to have high voltage and low current. Your system is the opposite. 41 amps of current is a lot and batteries in parallel can be an issue. Best to not have more than 2 parallel battery strings. How about if you reconfigured by putting your solar modules in series and the batteries in series and then fed your inverter? Most of this info is on line by the manufactures of your equipment.

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

12/01/2009 6:19 PM

The inverters and conttroller are all 12v input, that's why I went with the configuration. This is not a grid tied system or anything, infact I'm not on the grid at all even with this small system which I'm growing larger as money allows.

Thanks

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Re: Solar panels to battery bank hookup

12/07/2009 8:18 AM

Have you considered switching the number one battery with battery number five? See if the battery - formerly number five, now number one in the series, behaves the same way. Perhaps that would help begin the process of pinpointing a problem.

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