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Pickling & Passivation

01/31/2010 2:09 PM

I know the pickling is type of chemicals to wash or to make layer over the stainless steel, my question is we do this pickling because during the fabrication there some touching between the carbon steel & stailess steel so we need to do the pickling?, if I just clean the stainless steel by water & soap is it accepted.

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Re: Pickling & Passivation

01/31/2010 2:35 PM

equipment used in sanitary environment such as food processing, as the dairy industry. It has to be passivated, and this is done with is acid. Nitric acid is usually used and usually at higher strength, the % of acid I do not have at the moment.

Soap and water will not do it. There is chemistry involved. basically, BUT NOT THIS SIMPLY, Alkaline removes proteins. Acid removes minerals. Any proteins left on the surface when you run acid, and it will basically embed into the stainless. Passivation is difficult and dangerous, and only should be done by trained personal. But it has to be done to meet some sanitary standards.

Also at the shipyards, we had to pickle the aluminuim parts prior to installation to ensure clean welds. And if a certain number of days past after pickling and its not welded in yet. they have to be pickled again.

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01/31/2010 6:54 PM

It is a bit more complicated than just improper segregation.

If environmental concerns are an issue try Citric Acid.

We have been using it for a time with great success.

Here is what is being used at present.

http://www.citrisurf.com/wave.htm

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02/01/2010 8:18 AM

Pickling and passivation are two different beasts, like a dog and a wolf. Pickling is with harsh chemicals, most often 12.5% nitric acid and 5% hydrofluoric acid at ambient temperatures. This will remove layers of the ss, and impart a surface texture very similar to sand blasting. A fresh batch will remove an amount measureable with a caliper in 24 hours. (we use it at the plant for up to a year, then the ss can stay in the bath for hours after about a month of use - initially, 30 minutes will do) Passivation is with slightly less harsh chemicals. Nitric acid at 40% concentration, ambient temperature will do it in about an hour. (some people will heat the bath, but this presents very real hazardous working conditions) The previously mentioned citric is much safer and used at around 5 to 10%, but a bit slower. (EDTA is sometimes added as a preservative, as this is a food type acid) The passivation removes "free iron" as your contamination is called, but basically little of the ss matrix, although it does seem to remove some iron, as the surface will have a slightly higher chromium content as compared to the substrate. Upon removal from the acid bath, air oxidation of the surface occurs quite quickly, leaving the passivated surface you desire. Surface finish is not affected, as we regularly place 10Ra polished finishes into passivation baths.

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02/01/2010 8:53 AM

Good answer with both of the queries answered.

Since a lot of SS has been produced in my part of the world and to date many fabricators don't understand segregation, contamination, pickling, and passivation, it has been very informative to visit a few of the producers of SS products.

Being at and seeing the pickling tanks at a local SS tube manufacturer surely gives one an understanding of the acids used for this process.

Having my vendors use citric acid has also solved some thorny disposal issues, even if it does take longer.

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02/01/2010 11:08 AM

GA and explianation

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02/01/2010 1:28 PM

What is wrong with greening the stainless? This is the process that I have done for this type of issue.

Greening: wet reduction at 750'C, N2/H2 gass.

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02/06/2010 6:43 AM

Hi,

Pickling is the process to removing the oxidation layer of welding as well as ss surface, if your not remove the oxidation it will start corrode, may not be immediate but after some time,so pickling is must especially on welding and may not required in other area depends up on the usage.

Passivation is the process to neutralise the pickling process other wise pickling acid ( nitric ) will react with the base material and it will eat the base material after some time.

Shot blasting is the process to improve the fatic strength of materials and it will give cleaned surface for welding as well as painting.so, pickling and shot/sand blasting are not for same purpose.

-Mayil,Hosur,TN

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02/06/2010 3:16 PM

Thanks all for there contact

I would like to know, I should do both pickling & passivation?, by the way our tank will use for (corrossion inhibitor chemical) & (viscosity reducer chemical). I mean can I do only pickling?

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