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ASME Qualification for GMAW-S Welding of ASME P4 G1

02/11/2010 6:01 PM

Hello,

My first attempt at qualifying a new WPS for welding 1.25 Cr -.5 Mo steel "almost passed". Both root bends passed, but one face bend did not quite pass. I am awaiting the bent specimens from the lab. Here is a description of my first process attempt:

1/4" Thick ASTM A387 Grade 11 Class 1 PVQ plate, with millscale thoroughly ground off of top & bottom sides of beveled ends

.035" ER80S-B2 in Short-Arc Mode using C-25 Gas at 35 CFH

250F Preheat & 1275F Postheat for 1-1/2 hours (& also left in furnace to cool down to RT)

Pass #1: 21 -22 V & 150A. Travel Speed 15 ipm. (.125" gap a bottom of groove w/backing plate)

Pass #2: 22V & 150A. Travel Speed: 11.25 ipm

Pass #3: 22V & 140-150A, 7 ipm (each pass was ground prior to welding the next pass)

Wire feed rate was 276 ipm.

Now the wire manufacturer suggests cutting amps down by 10 -15 amps and/or? switching to either Ar/2%CO2 or Ar/5%CO2. So my new concerns are:

1. I should have researched this type of base material more thoroughly, as it appears the preheat should have been 300F minimum. Is the 250F preheat the most likely variable that caused the single face-bend to not pass & I just need to change that one variable?

2. If a gas change is highly recommended - which one of the 2 mentioned above should I try next - or is there a better one. I am wondering about 50 Ar/50 CO2?

BTW - we routinely butt-weld carbon steel and stainless pipe fittings using ASMW qualified Short-Arc procedures, so we prefer this transfer method. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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Re: ASME Qualification for GMAW-S Welding of ASME P4 G1

02/13/2010 2:04 AM

1/4 inch thick plate (6.35mm) can be welded in 2 passes. better change the parameters such as voltage and current matching with the welding speed. making too many passes mean more heat inputs and larger HAZ. which may subsequently spoil the required properties.

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Re: ASME Qualification for GMAW-S Welding of ASME P4 G1

02/13/2010 9:24 PM

Proper preheat is good, proper fit reduces the amount of heat because you don't have to add as much metal, roots passed because they didn't have to shrink as much and the stress when bending is helped because the other passes curve the metal to the advantage of the side the root is bent on. Welding from both sides balances the stress. The time between passes can affect things as weld as direction. play all the varitables within the weld specs to your advantage. (This is art not science I think)

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Re: ASME Qualification for GMAW-S Welding of ASME P4 G1

02/15/2010 10:40 AM

Go with the Ar/2%Co2

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Re: ASME Qualification for GMAW-S Welding of ASME P4 G1

02/15/2010 12:18 PM

The minimum pre-heat temp. required for A387 Gr. 11 should be 150 deg. C (300 F approx.) as the safe temp. for avoiding martensite formation during cooling of the molten metal. The current and voltage are not really that important as long as the weld deposit is smooth and the arc is smooth and good. Too less heat input also causes problems in alloy steels as the quenching effect becomes more pronounced. I had faced such problems in WPS of A-335 Gr.P11 material. Also make sure the Brinnel hardness after Post Weld Heat treatment is less than 225. An annealed raw material of Grade 11 will have a Brinnel hardness of about only 110-130. So one can see that welding causes considerable increase in hardness in Low alloy steels. I used to get a hardness of 280 immediately after welding. Pure Argon 99.9% min is the best for use as shielding gas. I believe your problem has nothing to do with gas.

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Re: ASME Qualification for GMAW-S Welding of ASME P4 G1

04/14/2012 5:44 AM

you can go to www.standardshop.orgthere sale a lot of asme aws api standard and so one .can immediately download,and very cheap low price!

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