Replacing the Earth's Crude Oil with Sea Water

My only comment is look around at what's been happening around the world lately. She's mad at us all. For everything, not only the oil stuff.

The EPA is initiating a study of a related process called hydraulic fracturing. I write "related" because I'm not sure whether "fracing" (as it's called) involves replacing crude oil with sea water vs. fresh water. Does anyone know?

Here's a tidbit on the fracking thing : http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1822604420100318?type=marketsNews

I always thought that fracturing was when bed rock fractured and left voids that held water. when I had my 325 water well drilled the driller said that he want to hit limestone because it tended to fracture and leave a void that would hold water. The guy that sold me mt place didn't tell me that the 525 'well I inherited when I moved in was a slow recovering well and he didn't think to tell me that it was dry as a bone when the driller hit 525ft depth shale rock that collapses in on itself after it fractures and doesn't hold very much water. I had to decide how to choose a spot to drill the new well and I had only one shot to get it right. I had three options left

1)hire a well witch and let him do DAT voodoo he do to find a spot to drill. I have heard the usual stories but never saw witching for water done. I have to admit I am just a little bit Skeptical about this voodoo witching stuff and the kind of luck I usually have is not good to use when witching with sticks. ( I bet the guy that sold me my place felt like he had been taken to the wash when the guy witch thy dry hole. I have heard the whole damn family set on the back porch and cried that day.

2) grab two twigs and start a witching myself because I would not have done any worse than the witch he hired

3)what i consider the best choice for me was to hire a real live geologist and let him walk over the 18-3/4" acres I own and at least make an educated guess about a spot. As it turns out the guy was a nut for Indian artifact s and I payed him with a few points I found near my new driveway. The well driller hit limestone at 40 feet and stayed in it until he quit at 325 feet down. The new well produces over 6 gallons a minute and has not yet been overcome by our water demands.

They pump salt water down into the big voids so that oil floats up to the top and makes it easier to pump out hat where aqua furs and old salt domes. i always thought the used salt water because of it's higher buoyancy than flesh water and because they have allot more salt water than fresh than fresh water in this ole world.

I will never forget years ago when I was just learning to weld in South Louisianan watching where a jack-up drilling rig accidentally drill into a giant salt dome and the whole damn lake, drilling rig, tug boats and other water craft just got flushed down the ole crappier. After about a week the lake started to fill back up and recover and all the equipment popped back up to the surface

Did anyone survive???

Yes

I think they all got out ok but the equipment did not fair so well, as best as I can remember it took a couple of days to flush that huge toilet. I watched it on the nightly news and I think all of the personnel had evacuated by the time the rig started to lean which was well before the roof of the dome collapsed. What got me is that they didn't seem to know that they were over the salt dome. I think they built up the lake just so they could get the rig into the area and in position. I am sure they had done seismic testing to determine there was anything worth drilling for before spending the funds to get the rig set up on the site. I would think the huge void of the salt dome would have been discovered when they analyzed the seismic data.

Fresh water floats on top of salt water for a while until they mix. Our well is only 30 feet deep and producing fresh water @ less than half a mile from the ocean and surrounded by salt water canals.

That incident, of a small hole turning into a large hole, and sucking down barges etc., . is available on the Internet, with pictures.....--What an incredible event I wil see if I can find it..

South Louisianan: any pictures of that event, or the name of the lake. I find that type of thing interesting. Thanks

Just go to Youtube and enter "Lake Peigneur."

thank you for the suggestion! I did the search and now I am sure that the government is trying to kill us all!!!!!

Are you referring to using sea water as a fuel and/or raw material?

...or pumping sea water in to displace the crude we remove?

...or something else?

Which symptoms?

Way too cryptic for me!

dear DkWarner. I am referring to the big missing spaces where the oil crude was before pumped and that I heard of are being filled up with water. Most probably sea water. We take the crude and give the seawater back to pay?

Thanks for the clarification. Unfortunately, sea water is only easily available on or near the sea! I have no idea what fraction of crude sources are within easy reach of the sea...

It would make lots of sense for offshore platforms, but I suspect they are going to need massive high pressure pumps to do the job.

Hi DvD,

When all empty places will be filled with salty water, we start increase the "salinity" of the soil and no one well will give us unsalted water in the future. It could be a big problem for humanity because we will be more numerous, 9 to 15 billion soon, and we have to drink water, "unsalted water" to survive. I think, we already demonstrated when we do something "new", we "pay the price" for it later. In Alberta, Canada, we use unsalted or drinking water to get out "oil and sand", and people cannot drink pure water within a few years because they pollute everything by releasing dirty water to the nature, including "Rivers, Lakes, and Agricultural Soils". The idea of injecting water or hot water was fine but we don't care about the dirty water. This new idea of injecting salty water is fine by otself but the consequences are probably disastrous like most of the time. Man do thinks with short-term view without thinking about the final results or consequences, Gil.

To fill the void. regards,D

For some reason, I am curious. Now, if someone could give me a reason to be so...

All.

Fracing refers to the practice of over pressuring the formation in order to fracture it. This improves the permeability of the reservoir allowing hydrocarbons fo flow more easily into the completed wellbore

Isn't it also a way of scavenging the last scraps of oil from wells that are too depleted to directly pump?

On another note, when we pump oil out of the ground, we make room for hell to grow... Remember, "When hell is full, the dead will walk the Earth!"

How deep are the wells and how much volume of crude is taken? I am just trying to get an idea what is left behind at these places. At your spot you have rocks. Is that always the case elsewhere? Thank you.

That was a very good explanation I think and a GA , and you said it in a way that is easily understood and not overly technical so most people do not work around oil can see the picture that. I remember working offshore in the early 80's installing piping , vessels and such to process the oil enough to be able to pumped out after it came up from the well. I was trying to concentrate on learning my trade back then so I was not concerned to much with the process of the systems we were installing. Now when I look back I think many of the systems we installed was separators to remove gas, water and such from the oil. Many times we had the complete piping systems done and had moved on before they had brought the well into production and sometimes before the drilling rig had been set up on the platform to start drilling.

Hi Pipe,

Here I have a suggestion to exploit seawater to replace crude oil to move things or do something. In some place on the sea, a beach for example, we need to create a barrier which hight is lower of the "high tide" but higher than the "low tide". In one side the seawater comes in and kept for time the low tide comes and open the othger side to move turbines to produce certain quantity of energy. It exists already but no one gets to a larger project to exploit the billions of tons of water from one level to another, at least twice a day and for ever. What individual or government decides to provide some money for the research, try, and exploitation of this system? Wait for answer, Gil.

N.B.: It can easily be tried in your bath tub and calculate the energy created for one litre or gallon of water!!!

Hello DvD,

We talking about the whole, total quantity of oil pressed out during billions of years from plant and other organisms containing the "famous" atom "C", and I am not saying vitamin "C", which is absolutely necessary to humans to stay on this lovely Earth. The other "C" or fuel became more important!

We, human, we are not very smart. What do we have the most on Earth? Sand or SiO2!!! And up to now, we have no one of us who patented a fuel or energy producer containing only or in large proportion "Si" or "silicon".

You want to start to work in the lab on this? Fantastic!!! Let me know, I can help you, Gil.

Off topic? Not at all! There are some good idea behind. Need to find them!

Hi DvD,

Here we have to have some discipline, which is non-existant in our modern society. Like Maca said, we have many wells with large amount of water with little hydrocarbone, oil. Most of the time is drinking water. The governments don't have the gots to stop those operations and punish them heavily when they object or don't be obedient. In most destructive operations, we have no discipline to work in realistic conditions. We exploit what is available and don't care what we let for the future. Yes, we have lawyers and other law-makers but no one apply the created restrictions and limitations, Gil.

N.B.: What to do to change this? I would like to hear one real lawyer to explain the facts and why it occurs as is!

Hi Maca,

It's funny name for a Scottish. This is my first observstion on you. Second, the frac is coming from the French word "fracture". Do you listening? Forget flow rates. Also, you should think more often and seriously concerning the separation of Scotland from Great Britain or it's not important for you? No. Don't treat me disobliging. I just want to tell you that you have to put think in an obvious order that you can handle it. We do already in Canada. Look, where is the "separation"? This word is constantly in the air, polluted or clean!

It's aberrant - another French word - to do this system, replacing sucked out oil by salty water, to get our oil tp burn it and release in the air as final pollutant. Up to now, we polluted our air we breath, more of our drinkable water, and now we start to use the sea water and turn it into dirty salty water. Imagine the next human innovation? What we will pollute or turn unuseable by other human? You have an idea; How we can make the salty water again drinkable by the next generation? We need so much energy to transform - no this is not a French word, transformer is an English word for telling people that Swartznegger is alive - this salty water, unuseable to useable for animals and finally for us too.

I take the "salty water" useage as a funny but dangerous proposal. Maca, let us know your final thoughts about it, Gil.

Rate: Readable by anyone on the topic with some insides and learnable observations.

As sea water is denser than crude oil, injecting sea water to lower depths will increase the rate of Earth's spin, by the principle of Conservation of Angular Momentum.

Hi Slack,

Now we have another problem by "injecting sea water to lower depths will increase the rate of Earth's spin"! Would someone signal that to "UN" and get some international help?

It's amazing! One problem was initiated and now we have many of them. What to do, boys? Sorry ladies, you can participate!

We start with an easy idea and make our life complicated. We should eliminate oil! Except peanut oil. It's good for cooking and give allergy to some people. Ouff! Nothing is perfect in this Earth?!

Finally, I oppose or vote against the replacement of "Earth's Crude Oil with Sea Water". The vote is signed, Gil.

Before getting upset about seawater in place of oil changing the earth's rotation, crunch a few numbers.

What proportion of the earth's weight is oil? (Very small)

How far down into the earth, as a percentage of the earth's radius is this material going? (Not far)

What is the change in density? Crude oil with sg probably averaging about 0.85, compared to seawater with sg about 1.03. This gives a change of 21% at a small percentage change in radius of a tiny weight (compared to the earth's mass).

May give academics fun working out the change in the length of the day, but I doubt if it will have any practical effect.

Hi Sceptic,

Your calculation is reasonably good and acceptable but we have to add that sea water injection will concentrate in certain areas of the "globe" and could create some unbalanced conditions, including to wobble or changing rotation only "time-to-time". Every liquid follow the lower path and sea water will do the same. Water has the capacity to concentrate, seen as from drops to rivulets, to rivers, lakes and finally oceans. The 21% difference in specific gravity is important when is concentrated in one or a few location in large quantities.

The more trouble is when the pure and drinkable aquiferous layer will be invaded by the salty sea water. Imagine the introduction of different bacteria colonies and other micro-organisms. It will change the actual living individuals completely between 0 and 3,000 metres deep, the sub-terranean world.

Again, our innovative ideas turning to disasters. Same as spraying pesticides to protect crop we poisoned humans. We invented and selled Viox to cure one thing and created heart-attacks more than cured people from diseases. We created automobile using oil and we pollute the athmospher. We gave to pregnant women Thalidomid and we get thousands and thousands physically deformed children. Ok, I stop! However, we have to do something better than innovate and use science without thinking! We use science to improve certain life-conditions, and also look to technological fixes without acknowledging our ignorance about how the world works; air, water, soils, plants, and humans. Example: Most people are "eating" because it "tastes" good and the result is "obesity"! However, we must nourish our body! Most often, we end up correcting the unexpected problems that resulted from the original "good ideas"!

We have to stop these "academic fun"s. Make everything simply and simple, Gil.