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Forumula One - Jobs on Racing Teams

05/21/2010 3:50 AM

how does one enter in to formula one racing teams as a engineers ??/ how are they taken in to??? does they recruit from any where like special universities ??? what are the minimum qualifications they demand ???

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05/21/2010 10:03 AM

The best answer is - who you know.

I would try the venues you cited, but your best bet is to befriend those involved in the sport and ask questions.

If you get on well with others and show a passion for the sport and the field of engineering, you will get noticed and people will point you toward other people, who will do the same if they see potential in you.

As with anything, the best way in the door is to know someone inside.

My guess is that you are still in school or about to graduate. As a young potential engineer I can tell you what impresses an employer most is not what you know now, but your passion for the job, your willingness to do the job, your ability to work as a team player, and a burning hunger to learn new skills.

Nothing is more of a nightmare for a manager than a team member that doesn't want to do his job and/or doesn't get along well with the rest of the team, no matter what their skill level.

Best of luck in your search!

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05/21/2010 11:15 AM

a lot of thanks for your advice .... i am yet to start my engineering tis year....... i like the engineering involved ter in F1 ..... but i dont know how to enter in to that field ....i m from india ... just guide me to enter in tat field an way.... or tell me with whom i should be in touch for my path to be success...

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05/21/2010 2:14 PM

I think your journey starts with people who race. F1 is the top of the game, so you need to aim further down the ladder and get in with the racing crowd in general. Once you learn who is who and keep asking people to hook you up you eventually end up where you want to go.

So, go to some F1 races if you can, talk to people and try to talk with members of the team. Tell them your dreams and and they will tell you their story. Eventually you will find your on way if it is really your passion. Go for it!

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05/22/2010 12:11 AM

Anonymous Hero!

Have you ever crewed for an F-1 Team? Or, been a member of any professional team in open wheeled racing?

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05/22/2010 5:39 AM

No, closest I have been was Indy and that was through a friend/mechanic that bought a car and hired a driver. Even Indy is a big club.

Getting on the racing team of F1 must be like climbing Everest, but the poster wanted an engineering position building F1 cars, so that would be a little different, but still a challenge.

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05/22/2010 8:38 AM

I've been a fan of Formula One for over 50 years. The most memorable experience I had was being invited by Sir Rob Walker to have a permanent position as a crew member of his team. I declined. After only two races I was smart enough to recognize that the job required a level of commitment that far exceeded anything I had ever undertaken. That was when F1 cars were still cars, simple and not complex, emasculated airplanes.

You had best be in good health, single and a free spirit unencumbered by any important relationships as the job is an exhausting combination of long hours, intense pressure and demand for perfection. You will not be home much and you will live out of a suitcase.

Mistakes are not allowed. You must have a high degree of technical savvy backed up by a vast amount of experience in a field that is discipline specific and directly related to some aspect of designing, building, repairing or maintaining a half million dollar machine.

I wish I had ten bucks for every starry eyed person who has ever held a wrench and fantasized working on F-1 car. I'd be able to buy one! The competition for those positions is enormous. The methods by which applicants are screened are ruthlessly demanding. The hiring criteria are exaggerated simply in an attempt to cut down the number of aspplications to something manageable.

My guess is that for every crew member who travels the 20 races each year there are 40 or 50 people who provide support back home. Anyone who gets through the hiring process can expect to be in one of those back rooms doing apprentice work for five to ten years before even getting close to working on the actual car.

If I were trying to hone my skills so as to be considered, I'd concentrate on the fields of aerodynamics, materials and testing, structural analysis and the use of advanced composites in load bearing devices. A knowledge of electronics, advanced programming, systems analysis and telemetry would help.

Being a skilled machinist and knowledgeable in advanced CNC manufacturing methods would be an asset as would be the ability to design with advanced 3D solid modeling software like Catia by Sytems Desault $60,000 for one seat!). It would not be enough to simply know 3D software. If you don't know how things are made, you are useless as a designer, in any discipline, not just Formula One.

Forget about engines. Those are rebuilt by specialists at the companies that made them (Daimler, Renault, Cosworth, Ferrari) and that's seldom the racing team who uses them.

This is not a sport any more. It's a big business and it operates in the advanced reaches of technology unmatched by anyone this side of NASA. And, like NASA, Boeing and Lockheed, outsources hundreds of outside vendors and contractors to produce the components and sub-assemblies.

Were I in your shoes, I'd poke around to see who those vendors are, get a job with one of the smaller ones and leverage that job into relationships inside the racing team's parent company.

Anonymous Hero, when I asked if you'd ever worked on an F1 team, it was a rhetorical question.

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05/22/2010 10:00 PM

a lot of thanx for u r vauable information........... would you just suggest me the small companies through which one can enter in to racing teams ...and the salary they give to the crew member in F1

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05/23/2010 3:18 AM

A prosperous Indian businessman has funded a team representing India. Most teams choose to be based in England as that has become the de facto center of the F1 universe. Except for the late starting American team which is based in the Southern US.

If you wish to start establishing ties into the sport, and do NOT wish to leave your native country, you might look to see where their base of operations are in India.

Many industries, outside of F1, use undergraduate engineering students in apprenticeship positions to ease the workload on the regular staff. That's a wonderful opportunity to get known and acquire hands-on experience at the same time.

Here is valuable tip to consider.

Prepare a letter to the head of the engineering department. In as few words as possible, tell him that some day you want to work for his company. Ask HIM what talents he needs now or expects to need in 3 or 4 years.

Ask him if he would please give you no more than ten minutes worth of face to face meeting in which he would tell you what you should learn in school or soon afterwards in order to be a desirable employee for him someday.

Odds are that no one has ever asked him that! Not even the college! Odds are also good he will say yes to your request just to meet the person who thought to ask him that.

Don't try to look smart. Talk little. Listen a lot. Prepare good questions in advance and when the ten minutes you requested are up, thank him for his generosity and prepare to leave. If he asks you to stay, odds are good that you have made some points. If he does not extend the meeting it could easily mean that he has another meeting or responsibility and simply can't.

As for salary, get that out of your mind. "Follow your bliss, not your wallet" If you aren't passionate about your craft, all the money in the world won't compensate you for the misery.

"Follow Your Bliss" You will either make a lot of money or you won't Either way, you will still have your bliss.

Second and last tip: Don't let your circumstances determine your happiness. Don't let your graduation, a new car, your relationships, your increased salary, etc be the sources of happiness. Instead simply choose to be happy and bring that state of being to everything you do. It's the most effective formula I know. regardless of your career path.

Good luck.

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Re: Forumula One - Jobs on Racing Teams

05/21/2010 11:54 PM

Most of the drivers started in carting and worked their way up. İ would expect that the engineers involved have started at a lower classification and worked upward as well. Don't expect to get out of the university and immediately start F1.

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05/22/2010 5:46 AM

İ doubt any of the teams recruit from universities. A starting engineer is not all that useful in the scheme of things on most any job. With a few years of hard work and experience they may or may not become worthwhile. A degree from an İİT wouldn't mean much more than from any other university İ don't believe. Like someone pointed out - it is attitude as well as capability.

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05/22/2010 9:54 PM

tanx a lot

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05/24/2010 4:15 AM

Actually F1 teams recruit many of their engineers from universities. Many universities now run motorsport degrees.

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05/22/2010 10:16 PM

what kind of racing do you do now? many times it is helpful if you actually drive a car or go cart. you need to know what it is that the driver feels as he drives a car in a real racing situation. then you will know what it is that the driver needs to make the car do what he wants it to do. then of coarse you will be asked to make or adjust parts that make the car handle, brake and accelerate better. understanding what racing is all about is of utmost importance. you need to understand what the driver wants.......

no sarcasm was used in producing this post........

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Re: Forumula One - Jobs on Racing Teams

05/24/2010 3:58 AM

Hi

I work in the UK for a company supplying F1 teams.

A great place to start looking for engineering jobs in F1 is "Autosport magazine" by Haymarket. it's an industry leader and all the teams advertise in it and often.

http://www.autosport.com/directory/appointments.html

You might also want to look for Racecar Engineeering magazine.

I have noticed they often ask for a minimum of a higher national diploma or a degree.

F1 teams mostly use CATIA but check the appointments as some use other systems.

Hope this helps,

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05/25/2010 3:48 AM

what would u expect the salary/annum of an aerodynamics related engineer in a formula one team??

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05/25/2010 4:00 AM

Experienced or a school boy fresh out of the university?

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05/25/2010 11:32 PM

If you are fresh out of school, you are of little use to a Formula One team, unless you have extensive racing background and a portfolio of impressive things you have accomplished in the racing world. As a result, you may have to work for very little initially (perhaps 1/2 what a computer science grad would make at entry level in any ordinary corporation). Formula one teams have no more interest in engineers fresh out of school than they have in drivers with no experience. If you start at an appropriate level, such as in local sports car racing, you could make a name for yourself and work up to Formula one. If you have top grades from a top school and an introduction by a prof with connections in the Formula One world, perhaps you could work with a supplier. Networking is indispensable: who do you know who might know someone who could provide an introduction?

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05/27/2010 3:30 AM

Alas I'm not aware of how much an aerodynamics engineer would be paid as i'm not serving in that particular field.

However Sauber is currently looking for a senior aerodynamicist so if you'd like to see what is required of that job use the link i posted before (#13). Please be aware that the wages may not be as good as you may believe. F1 is glitz and glamour where it counts but often the staff aren't on huge salaries and linked to performance bonuses. A friend of mine worked for Jordan and when the drivers weren't scoring points he didn't earn that much. It may be different at other teams but it's worth bearing in mind.

It's worth noting that many of the people in F1 are very young so if you're thinking that youth maybe a barrier i wouldn't worry too much. I visited Red Bull recently and i was of the oldest guys there (i'm in my thirties).

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05/27/2010 7:22 AM

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