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Orbital Weiner Roast?

07/06/2010 12:20 PM

What would happen if you stuck a hot dog, t-bone steak or marshmallow outside the window of the International Space Station, ignoring the effects of the near-total vacuum and complete evaporation of water? How long would it take the microwave, cosmic or other radiation present to cook dinner?

How hazardous is the energy of the sun and other sources to living things? Is it a free tanning session, Chernobyl or something in between?

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Re: Orbital Weiner Roast?

07/06/2010 1:19 PM

To make dinner, you'll have to stick your steak out of a window facing toward the sun where the "temperature" is something in the neighborhood of the boiling point of water (around 120 C). However you should turn your steak around pretty often because the shady side of the steak will be almost -100 C.

Bon appetit.

The UV and other radiation is pretty nasty up there. I wouldn't recommend going outside to get a tan. But then again, I wouldn't recommend going outside without a spacesuit on for any reason.

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07/06/2010 1:25 PM

I believe the International Space Station orbits between (underneath) the Van Allen Belt (VAB) and Earth. So most of the hazardous solar wind radiation (a proton stream bombardment) does not impact the station. There will, of course, still be cosmic radiation present but paradoxically this is not considered a significant risk. The proton stream from a solar flare though can become a considerable problem if the station were outside of the VAB, or worse inside the VAB. Ironically, outside the station maybe safer than inside during such a solar blast. The many fold secondary radiation generated by the protons impacting the metallic hull generates much higher radiation levels that are likely to deposit energy in water. The proton stream itself is of such a high energy that it is more likely to just pass through water without colliding at all with anything. (Remember we are predominantly water.)

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07/06/2010 2:10 PM

I seem to recall a Robert Heinlein story in which station wall thickness as radiation sheilding is discussed and an old space hand explains (paraphrasing) "you're better off with just enough skin to keep the air in".

Read Sci-Fi. It may save your life one day.

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07/06/2010 5:54 PM

I think the R.H. reference was about secondary Bremsstrahlung radiation.

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07/07/2010 1:34 AM

Hi MJB, I think it's a good comment and don't know why it's marked as "off-topic".

Sorry I can't give you a GA

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07/07/2010 10:25 AM

Thanks. My comment was a response to radiation shielding. I marked if off-topic myself because I consider it a secondary discussion and not an answer the OP's original questions.

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07/06/2010 5:53 PM

I have a friend who was a payload specialist and flew on the shuttle. He said that without the suit, the UV from the sun would fry you like a piece of bacon in about twenty seconds. I think he meant that seriously.

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07/07/2010 8:40 AM

Last time I looked, the ISS did not have any windows that you could open to stick your dinner out of, therefore this goofy question is quite meaningless...

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07/07/2010 8:49 AM

I'll take Chili, chopped onions and mustard with that hot dog please!

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07/07/2010 9:04 AM

Meaningless? Your complaining that a hypothetical question posted on an engineering forum that asks an easily grasped scenario as meaningless? Now one can certainly call this question silly, naive, humorous, unrealistic, or even surreal but you clearly grasped the meaning of this question by the fact that you've used the undefined acronym ISS. So for you to grasp the meaning of the question, it therefore cannot be meaningless.

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07/07/2010 9:50 AM

therefore this goofy question is quite meaningless

Not very curious, are we? Goofy yes, but well worth the effort (you killjoy).

My questions address human survivability off-planet, touching on materials, biology, physiology, energy production-transmission-conservation, thermodynamics, and really everything scientific short of forestry. There's a potential connection there too if I take a moment to think about it.

Who designs the space suits? What do they need to know, and consider? Just how hazardous is it out there? My quick research indicates that we can survive exposure to vacuum for about a minute with potentially little lasting effect. But what about the radiation in space? People tend to gloss over that.

It turns out - as I suspected - that merely stepping outside of the ISS is (very) roughly the same as manipulating nuclear reactor cooling rods by hand.

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07/08/2010 4:19 AM

<...ignoring the effects of the near-total vacuum and complete evaporation of water...>

The problem is, these things cannot be ignored. Even by vegetarians. "Vegetarianism" is an anagram of "meat in gravies", BTW.

Is this why astronauts are given dried food?

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