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Diesel Generator Overload Response

08/10/2010 3:42 PM

I am trying to understand how a generator and diesel engine would respond under a significant overload condition. For example, you have a 2MW DG tied to the GRID at full load and part of the GRID is lost such that the single DG is now trying to power 4 to 5MW?

How would the generator and engine respond? Would the engine stall?

Has anyone seen or studied this before?

Thanks in advance for any input...

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Re: Diesel Generator Overload Response

08/10/2010 4:52 PM

Greetings Plainsmith and Welcome to CR4,

In the case of a single, standalone DG tied into the grid (non-power utility plant) based on the unit size and scenerio you provided:

1. The DG main would sense an overload and open to prevent damage to the DG.

2. The engine may momentarily sag but should not stall if the main is calibrated correctly.

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Re: Diesel Generator Overload Response

08/10/2010 4:56 PM

What if the overload relay was set so high that it would not trip the engine?

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Re: Diesel Generator Overload Response

08/10/2010 5:15 PM

If the main did not trip, most likely the engine would stall. There is also the possibility of damage to the generator, regulator control or prime mover prior to the engine stall.

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Re: Diesel Generator Overload Response

08/10/2010 6:04 PM

That is what we believe as well. I was hoping someone might have a story of an actual overload event and be able to explain how the system responded with some detail on how long it took to pull the engine down, etc...

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Re: Diesel Generator Overload Response

08/10/2010 7:09 PM

As per NEMA MG 1, Article 33.3.3, the acceptable overload capability for a synchronous generator is

- 10% for at least 2 hours out of any consecutive 24 hours of operation

- 50% for at least 30 sec

Any load applied to the generator beyond this rating will seriously damage the generator system. The generator protection should trip the generator without having its load beyond this overload capability. In addition, the driving side also be damaged or stalled due to overload. So, the concept of running 4 to 5 MW load on a 2 MW generator is not viable and acceptable at all. An electrical engineer shall never think about "What if the overload relay was set so high that it would not trip the engine (refer to comment # 2)". The generator must trip at the circumstances that you indicated.

Now, the question is "what is the solution" at this circumstance?

You must use the load shedding system in active in this case. If the Grid is lost, the load shedding system stops the low priority loads and keeps the vital loads running so that the total running load doesn't exceed more than 2 MW.

See these previous threads for the load shedding system

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/56397

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/14913

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Re: Diesel Generator Overload Response

08/11/2010 8:19 AM

dear,

good explanation.

Infact, to prevent the possible damages, there are so many back up relays for grid protection.

1. Infact, one stand alone dg is there, so that, during such a heavy load shedding, 200% loading does not come on an individual dg set.

2. Under frequency relay / Under voltage relay / Over load relay in KW as well as in KVAR / reverse power relay / df/dt relay for grid islanding / vector surge relay - dv/dt that aleways tries to prevent the possibility of heavy over loading conditions.

So, question of WHAt IF OVER LOAD RELAY IS SET TO HIGH SHOLD NOT COME.

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Re: Diesel Generator Overload Response

08/11/2010 8:15 AM

Who can tell?

What is the point of over-riding trip systems designed to prevent such an occurrence [rhetorical question]?

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08/11/2010 8:23 AM

dear,

this is not a theoritical question.

In practice, you will find the damages / faults occurred due to by p[assing of relays only. Even in substations of 80 MVA or such large ones, I have seen Instrument team doing this in order to continue supply, & relay being faulty. Later, under healthy supply conditions, thing remain un attended.

So, the main responsibility of an engineer is to prevent such occurrances, & try to keep spares / stand by arrangements , so, this situations does not arise.

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Re: Diesel Generator Overload Response

08/10/2010 9:55 PM

Independent of any under voltage or under frequency shut downs, it depends on the makeup of the generator, if it doesn't have field boost or a permanent magnet exciter, it may not trip the main breaker because the voltage will decay, engine may stall, field may collapse. Depends on system sophistication.

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09/21/2010 9:03 AM

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