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Sounds of Science

10/06/2010 1:44 PM

This is very cool.

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10/06/2010 4:13 PM

If you say so.

Looks more like a thinly veiled attempt to inflame other members that may have religious views that differ from the video. I can see this leading to an argument. Maybe not. It won't be coming from me.

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10/06/2010 4:15 PM

Yup definitely way cool in a geeky sorta way...

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10/06/2010 6:09 PM

Nice song.

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10/06/2010 6:16 PM

Any idea how to copy this song into CD ?

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10/06/2010 11:35 PM

Streamclip+Perian

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10/06/2010 6:58 PM

Actually science is not more than discovery for things already exist but ware unknown for us,or practical applications for physical phenomenas and laws already exists.

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10/06/2010 10:42 PM

funny thing about all this

the more I study the big bang theory, the theory of relativity, quantum mechanics and science, and Mr. Einstein,

the more I believe in God

Stub

and Simon and Garfunkel had that song as a hit called the Sounds of Silence when I was about 14 or 15

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10/06/2010 10:56 PM

The big bang theory could be the bigging of universe creation.

Mr. Einstein said :very precise lows are controlling our world which proves that a creator has set those laws.

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10/06/2010 11:03 PM

The origins of life and the universe will always be beyond comprehension by our simple human minds. Were we created clean-shaven with calculators in our pockets? Did we evolve from space dust? Both concepts are ludicrous. Neither science nor religion will ever 100% totally explain where we came from.

As with the posting #6 the more I learn the more I believe in God, however believe less in science and religion. Both have been equally corrupted by self-interest, money and power so neither can be fully trusted. Faith is the freedom to follow your own heart and own mind.

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10/06/2010 11:08 PM

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10/06/2010 11:46 PM

I think this sentence is rude and offensive. However, the grammar is so unbelievably butchered that I don't really understand if you are trying to insult someone or are just trying to incite an argument.

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10/06/2010 11:56 PM

First of all why you speak from inside your burrow,why you don't identify your self so i know to whom i speak to.

Secondly,you know what i mean ,never-mind about my grammar.

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10/07/2010 12:08 AM

I'm sorry, but NO, I'm NOT AT ALL sure what you are trying to say, nor to whom you are trying to say it!

Please find someone whose first language is English, and have them help you rephrase your posts.

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10/07/2010 9:49 AM

I had no problem understanding what he was trying to say… here, let me help:

Rephrased:

"I am wondering why there are so many posts in this thread by 'Guests' who will not identify themselves."

"Have the Infidels became so powerful to terrify the believers these days such that the only way they feel safe in voicing their support of a higher power is to hide behind the mask of anonymity?"

I'm pretty sure that's what he meant to say.

And my response, since I'm here already is… No, the reasons people have posted as guests is not because the non-believers scare them to, but either because it is against the rules of the forum to discuss religion here, in general, and they do not want their account marked accordingly… or it is because they do not posses the conviction, fortitude, desire, or evidence to stand proudly next to their opinion.

Regardless of why they choose to post as guest, they posted… they have made a contribution. Unfortunately, many who chose to post as guest are the ones who would rather argue than debate, they feel that any who do not believe in 'their' truth are somehow evil… any who do not subscribe to their exact opinion are somehow wrong, but they are unwilling to have a rational and mature debate.

I do not judge another based on their opinion I judge them based on their actions. In my mind, I'm not 100% sure of how we got here, I am conflicted between faith and science… but I don't care. Because, regardless of how I got here… I'm here. And since I'm here I'm going to enjoy life and treat others how I would like to be treated… with respect and compassion.

If I, as a stranger, walking down your street saw that you needed assistance, I would provide it… because it is the right thing to do… but you would rather judge me, not on my actions but because my faith may point in a different direction than yours. Well, it is not your place to judge in that regard. Have solace in the fact that if you are correct in your faith and I am wrong in mine, then when the time is right I will be judged accordingly… in the mean time, unless I have provided a tangible reason for you to dislike me, judge me for what I do, not what you feel I may be thinking or what I may believe in.

Regardless of the foundation of your faith, however you feel we evolved or were created… we all must acknowledge that we have free will and the ability to hypothesize and think on your own. But because we are not born knowing everything, our thoughts are limited to our knowledge as we grow. Your beliefs have changed as you have matured and increased your body of knowledge… do not judge those who are still growing and learning and may not have the understanding of your surrounds that you may have. Rather than be a critic, be a teacher… rather than being judgmental, be compassionate…

I will say this… to all who are reading… I have had the benefit of being able to travel all over the world, live in many different cultures… from Europe to the middle east to the far east, from Canada to Brazil, from Russia to South Africa… I have been exposed to and had rational and philosophical debates with peoples from all types of faiths… and there is one common denominator to all of them… be good and treat others with respect.

Looks like some people on these forums need to work on that last part a little.

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10/07/2010 12:06 AM

The nature of evidence is self evident. The nature of proof proves that nature is the proof. It exists. Is spirit/life part of nature? good question. I don't see the need for a an either/or. God is nature and nature is god... all is one.

the only bastardized thing is that created by humans. It is called Religion. It is an artificial set of dogma and rituals that represent unknown and unknowable thing.

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10/07/2010 12:14 AM

"God is nature and nature is god... all is one"

Is your God the nature, tree, mountain, river,........etc ?

Sorry, un-logical thinking.

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10/07/2010 12:18 AM

yes... all. nothing less than all.

perfect logic.

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10/07/2010 5:05 AM

Physical life is a process of recycled biological material, commonly known as eating, as for the mind this requires energy, the products of eating and oxygen, to go beyond this requires perpetual energy a form of perpetual motion? So to study science, are we looking for the answer to perpetual life, or just the workings of nature that makes life and our understanding of how it works more clearer?

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10/07/2010 9:36 AM

The most correct observation I had ever heard was: "Science and Religion are not mutually exclusive of each other, because each is a search for truth."

Sure, there are those that have corrupted religion (and science) for their own purposes, and there are always arguments about the validity of anothers view, but people who seriously seek the the truths of this existence should be valued for their effort.

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10/07/2010 9:56 AM

I'm sorry, but which religion is a search for truth? All the ones I'm aware of seem to say something equivalent to "Live your life my way, and you will go to heaven when you die. Otherwise you will go to hell"

It should be obvious that with so many religions saying such different things about how to live your life, they can't all be right. How do you know which one is right? I suspect that the answer is none of them.

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10/07/2010 10:19 AM

I didn't specify a religion, just the concept of the practice of religion. Religion, as a concept, is like a philosophy. There are those, myself included, that believe there is more to this universe than can ever be explained in science.

Seeing, in science, how marvelous this existence is in the details leads me to this conclusion.

To try and pin it to ONE man-made theology is a grotesque (mis-)understanding of religion.

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10/07/2010 9:58 AM

As the OP I would just like to say that I posted this because I though it was a neat song. I always liked Simon and Garfunkle's original and found that choice to be a very appropriate tune to use to put the scientific method to music. Nothing more.

That this tread has evolved become another endless discussion about religion is a complete suprise to me. A suprise and a disappointment, its just a nice piece of music.

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10/07/2010 10:08 AM

Apothicus,

It is a great song, (the original).

This version implies that billions of people across the planet that adhere to ancient belief systems, are stupid. Hence my prediction.

It doesn't bother me, but surely you can't be too surprised that it does others.

I also believe you, that this was not your intent. Sometimes posts have unintended results.

ps- I never post as guest.....right or wrong, bad or good...I will always accept responsibilty for my posts.

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10/07/2010 10:21 AM

Ther is nothing called ancient belief systems,God is God doesn't change and the so the belief.

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10/07/2010 10:29 AM

Excellent! Therefore, this thread should pose no threat to you whatsoever.

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10/07/2010 10:33 AM

How can any discussion be a "threat"?

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10/07/2010 11:34 AM

Take a look at what's happening here.

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10/07/2010 10:35 AM

Sir,if you are Atheist that is your problem, but you don't have the right to offense the believers and call them stupid.

Don't do that again sir.

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10/07/2010 10:55 AM

In defense of Kramarat, he did not call anyone stupid... he was stating that the song linked in the origial post infered that through its lyrics.

He was making an observation that the song's lyrics were making such a statement and that this may offend some of the readers here.

Please read more carfully in the future so you do not become offended incorrectly.

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10/07/2010 11:13 AM

First of all i know who are you exactly,i am from the middle east and we can smell out in a second and identify you sir.

Secondly ,that what he said:

"This version implies that billions of people across the planet that adhere to ancient belief systems, are stupid."

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10/07/2010 11:33 AM

Right, that is what he said 'this version' meaning talking about the original poster's link, not his own opinion... again he was making an observation.

"First of all I know who are you exactly..."

So, you become offended by misunderstanding and demand tolerance and respect, but are intolerant of others not like you?

As a result, it is not possible to hold a rational debate with you and I consider this conversation closed.

It is unfortuante that you have misunderstood and are holding a standard to others that you do not hold to yourself.

Good day to you sir.

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10/07/2010 11:38 AM

You pretend that you are Atheist but actually you are not ,you are strong believer and very loyal to your belief but you want all other nations to be Atheists.

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10/07/2010 11:46 AM

"Musick has Charms to sooth a savage Breast,
To soften Rocks, or bend a knotted Oak.
I've read, that things inanimate have mov'd,
And, as with living Souls, have been inform'd,
By Magick Numbers and persuasive Sound.
What then am I? Am I more senseless grown
Than Trees, or Flint? O force of constant Woe!"

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Or not

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10/07/2010 11:30 AM

Thanks Java, I'm outta here!

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10/07/2010 11:34 AM

Me to brother...

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10/07/2010 12:45 PM

So obviously you believe atheism is a problem. To atheists, blind faith (religion) is the problem. Religious people are constantly trying to convince others to believe the same way they do. Why shouldn't atheists do the same?

At least here in America, you are free to practice whatever religion you wish (or none at all), as long as your activities do not interfere with the rights of others to do the same.

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10/07/2010 1:06 PM

That is different story ,but when some one deceiving the others and pretends that he is atheist and in reality he is not and he is strong believer and encouraging the others to be atheists-that is clear deception.

They ware doing that for decades using the public media which always been on their hands.

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10/07/2010 3:24 PM
  1. science is generally not considered religion.
  2. atheism is generally not considered science.
  3. religion is generally controversial, and therefore very restrained on cr4.
  4. engineering is founded on science.
  5. cr4 is an engineering discussion group.
  6. it is religion that takes offense to science as being heretical.
  7. religion is just another field of study to science.
  8. cr4 does not generally restrict the discussion of science or engineering.
  9. god speaks in natural phenomena that all can study and understand, not language or books.
  10. science is the rigourous study of natural phenomena.
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10/07/2010 10:25 AM

I like the way you stated your reason for the post.

The scientific method is a wonderful tool for searching for why things behave the way they do. Its' application isn't just limited to a few endevors.

I also like the song.

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