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Need a Recyclable Lid for Microwavable Soup Bowls

10/11/2010 1:27 PM

I've been in correspondence with Campbell's Soup about the plastic lids on their microwavable soups. I noticed there is no recycle label marked on these and wondered why. The bowls are marked as recyclable but the lids have no marking. Here's wheat they told me: "The lid is #5 plastic (polypropylene). While some municipalities do accept #5 plastics for recycling, most do not. Our packaging engineers have specifically looked at ways to make these lids more recyclable, but unfortunately there are some very specific consumer performance requirements (dimensional stability in the microwave) that dictate that we use polypropylene today."

Are there alternatives to #5 plastic that would work as lids for microwavable soups?

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10/11/2010 2:33 PM

Hello Mousejockey.

My first thought while reading through your post was "Come On! How much plastic could that possibly be?"

After reflecting a few moments, I remembered a recent article about Wrigley Gum, changing from the traditional alumimum/paper wrap to an all paper for their gum sticks. This will conserve an estimated 850 TONS of aluminum per year! From chewing gum wrappers, from one manufacturer.

So, even if it appears small, it can have a pretty large footprint. Please disregard my first thought!

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10/11/2010 2:35 PM

Since the bowls themselves are sealed, and the lids only seem to prevent splatter when cooking, it seems that cardboard/paper lids would work fine. Much like the white paper lids that snap on top of styrofoam coffee cups. Recycled paper would also be fine.

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10/11/2010 4:49 PM

I agree that there seems to be no reason why they can't use paper lids. I would simply not use plastic lid at all, I would substitute a paper towel or small paper plate and throw away the plastic lid. I try not to use plastic in a microwave. Apparently some of the plastic particles can get into your food.

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10/12/2010 8:32 AM

You fired my last remaining brain cell.

A while back a friend sent me an email describing 20 some novel uses for drip coffee filters. I have taken one to heart.

12 cup coffee filters make excellent covers for microwaving. They are cheap, biodegradable and don't take up near as much storage room as other solutions.

And, I agree, no plastics in the microwave.

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10/11/2010 2:44 PM

Why would we presume to offer our opinions when Campbell's has people on staff who actually know what the requirements of the product are?

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10/12/2010 10:17 AM

By golly you're right! Look at us, wasting time here. How dare we even attempt to improve things with our minds!

Thankfully I've got a plain beige wall to stare at all day so I don't idly speculate on the world. All you troublemaking CR4 thought-criminals should get one too.

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10/12/2010 10:28 AM

Why don't you register. Then your comments might be considered. But, I doubt it, if this is all you have to offer.

How has your comment contributed to the solution to the perceived problem?

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10/12/2010 11:52 AM

What? You've got to register for your idea to be taken seriously? Gosh. I guess it does sound more impressive if coming from a "Cat" or a "Doorman" or "Darth Vader", etc.

Hmmm. Just to be safe we'd better pitch out that crazy "wheel" gizmo too since the developer didn't bother to write his name down.

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10/12/2010 12:31 PM

Thank you for another invaluable contribution.

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10/12/2010 3:51 PM

My humblest apologies.

I shall furthermore and always follow your shining example of contributory excellence as graciously bestowed upon us in your Post #3 above.

"Why even try? Somebody else probably knows".

There. I have now achieved the zenith in "helpful" commentary, as given from your own mighty fingertips. Thank you so much. You have taught me in one posting what others take a lifetime to learn.

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10/12/2010 12:18 PM

Is that you Chard ?

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10/11/2010 4:51 PM

Maybe the response lies more locally.

Our recycling does accept #5 materials if tehy are marked that way. Suggest to Campbell's to have the lids marked and then our campaign can be directed to the recycling centres to accept the material into the recycling stream.

Alternatively, if the lid was re-usable, then Campbell's would only need to provide lids as an option for first time customers.

[But then that doesn't fit in with our throw away society and means that we would have to wash it up and be responsible for our own hygeine.]

My 5R's for waste have been around for years in the following heirarchy. We've been "greenwashed" into believing that recycling is the best alternative. There are higher (better) options before that step.

#1 Refuse (To take materials that are unnecessary)

#2 Reduce (Reduce the amount of material involved in the process.)

#3 Re-use (Re-use the item, either for its original use or some alternative use.)

#4 Repair (Perform an action that returns the item to its original condition rather than expend the resources to obtain another complete item from scratch.)

#5 Recycle (The final option where the material content of the item is recovered, but the original fabrication energy and effort are sacrificed.)

[Yes there are other potential "R"s that also come into play, but this one's been with me for around 15 years and still sits well with me.]

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10/11/2010 8:59 PM

I like Kramarat's, suggestion. This is something I can suggest to Dave Stangis Vice President, CSR/Sustainability Philadelphia.

I'm not an engineer nor expert in packaging but my gut tells me there is a creative solution lurking behind this problem. I get he impression the engineers at Campbell's could be more creative/innovative/resourcefull in solving this issue.

I did find that my city Albany, NY now recycles plastics 1—7 so these lids are acceptable for recycling, however Campbell's is reluctant to place the recycle logo on the lids as they fear it would be perceived as "greenwashing".

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10/11/2010 6:40 PM

Given the waste in the world for instance in hungry recently where thousands of gallons of contaminated sludge has decimated a village, and china burning coal , BP allowing thousands of barrels of oil into the gulf,

space debris in outer space making space a danger to astronauts

and your worried about plastic lids

Really hahahaahahhahahahahahhahahha

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10/12/2010 2:04 AM

I did find that my city Albany, NY now recycles plastics 1—7 so these lids are acceptable for recycling, however Campbell's is reluctant to place the recycle logo on the lids as they fear it would be perceived as "greenwashing."

Your intent seems to be right, but I'm slightly confused by the additional info above. What's all this 'greenwashing' about ?

My first though is to scope out supermarkets for similar microwave products, looking for similar lids of a different grade.

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10/12/2010 2:28 PM

I know for a fact what the structure of the bowls are, and I'll tell you that propylene is not the only material in them. Due to the nature of the product being shelf-stable at ambient temperatures for 18-24 months, it contains "barrier" layers, which are in no way recyclable, yet due to layer thicknesses of less than 10%, Campbell's considers them recyclable. They also contain >50% regrind. You would be surprised at actually how little virgin PP is in the containers. That would lead me to believe that either the lid has a higher concentration of barrier material (doubt it, since there is a hermetic film heat-sealed onto the container), or that they're not PP at all.

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10/12/2010 5:06 PM

Scroll down to the pie-chart.

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10/12/2010 5:53 PM

and your point with the pie chart is what?

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10/12/2010 6:00 PM

if you're pointing out the fact that it states there is 0% recycled content in the plastic trays, then you, along with the chart, would be correct.

I said "regrind", not "recycled." there is a huge difference, but I guess I don't know what goes into making those containers, even though I work for one of the two companies that supplies Campbell's with their shelf-stable soup containers. Oh well.

it's not considered "recycled" if it is not returned by the end user. When I said "regrind", I was referring to trimmings and scrap that is ground up, dried, and fed back into an extruder to reduce the cost of virgin materials.

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10/13/2010 2:52 AM

Now we're getting there.

I said "regrind", not "recycled." there is a huge difference"

What is it ? Once the lid is formed, isn't the material the same, whether of the factory floor or from a recycle collection point ? I don't have a clue, so any elaboration you can give would be appreciated. I'm also intrigued by how recyling data can be massaged if one doesn't know the exact technical jargon.

Even odder, is Campbells (as you'd expect) having a company policy statement on green credentials, but then going on to offer a graph showing 0%.

None of the above answeres yhe original question, but Campbells seem a bit coy about giving much info on their own web pages.

Next time I go food shopping, I'll see what's on offer in the microwave snacks line (although it's a fair bet that any symbol to indicate plastic type will be hidden inside the lid - it is with my milk bottle, #2 HDPE).

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10/13/2010 11:59 AM

I'm not talking about the bowls here (they are recyclable), I'm talking about the plastic lids (which are not marked as recyclable). The lid is #5 plastic (polypropylene) but not marked as such.

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