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### Gravity= Energy

01/19/2011 3:33 PM

Hi all ye CR4 wizards,

I'm goofing around all the engineering Forums and I can find nothing about new ways to generate electricity. Plenty of the usual boring old stuff about Wind/Wave/Solar and such. The OVERUNITY doods on U-Tube are still playing with their magnets and things, but at least they are trying, more than I can say for you lot.

How about a little creative thinking here. I've made 4 great discoveries in my 57 years on this planet: Sex, Drugs,Rock n Roll, and Gravity- in that order.

There is a "Nature of Gravity" discussion which delves deep into the sub-atomic, (this is over my head) because it overlooks the well known beheavour and potiential function of Gravity- a constant dependable and predictable one directional force.

Here's a proposition: A ton of coal, 500 gallons of oil/gas has a predictable weight and amount of energy for use as home heating/engine torque. At present thinking levels the only we can extract energy from the above is to burn or explode it. Convert it into smoke/gasses. There is an other way! Gravity and f= ma.

They laughed at the Wright Brothers for years, they'r not laughing now.

We know that Mass can fly: We know that Gravity looses some of it's influence over Mass at volocity, and we can reduce Gravity's pull on Mass by increasing volocity. We know that a tonn Mass of coal flying round and round at high speed has reduced Gravity and a relative increase in energy. So Gravity is energy, reduce Gravity with volocity and we can extract Gravitational/kinetic energy from caol without burning it.

A tonn of coal will last ? spinning round and round

Come on lads, has the penny dropped yet. Newton's law of motion does not apply here. Think angular motion of a rotating mass, not thermodynamics. We're not creating energy, but extracting existing energy from gravity.

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01/19/2011 3:41 PM

Ooooooh, look!

BTW, it's "I should have stayed on the farm." The word "a" is the singular indefinite article, not a past participle [this is CR4's Education section, after all].

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01/19/2011 7:52 PM

I' m not finding this Forum very Educational.

What is the difference between a JCB and a Geraff?

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01/19/2011 8:40 PM

It could be because you fail to grasp that some equal or usually greater energy is needed to put "it" up there.

However; if you could harness the energy of say, boulders rolling down hills - then by ignoring the energy that elevated them, or removed the ground below them - you could 'claim' to have "free gravitational energy" - (until you ran out of boulders).

This is pretty much the fossil approach.

And a bit analogous of the 'impact on the biosphere' of the valley below.

However; if you were to divert naturally arriving solar to lift the boulders (or water) so not re-releasing sequestered boulder energy into the biosphere, your 'impact is reduced'.

But; it is still 'equal or more' energy than you recover.

I.e. nothing is 'free'

If you think it's free - you haven't looked - and you will get mocked for failing to do so.

"You haven't looked" is the "very education" the forum is attempting to impart.

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01/19/2011 9:30 PM

That's believable. Have you ever found anything to be educational?

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01/23/2011 10:08 PM

A JCB is a heavy duty backhoe tractor, and a giraffe has it's head in the clouds, looking upwards? Always upwards? - An excellent metaphor, Chris - good on you and me!

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01/23/2011 10:35 PM

A giraffe is an animal that can conceivably put its head 10ft (3m) away from the sunshine. This could be a useful delayed-reaction insult.

Our pointy-haired boss is a first-class giraffe!
Huh?
(Give explanation.)

Maybe this meme can become a "gift" to posterity. I hope Dilbert thinks of it.

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excuse me - Dilbert puts a giraffe up his???

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01/24/2011 12:14 AM

No, he thinks of applying the concept to his boss.

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01/24/2011 12:34 AM

The person who asks that very same question. Who else could it possibly be?

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01/24/2011 12:59 AM

Or else the smartest person in the room that may have a hearing disability - I am going to have to change up my 'signature', in order to be compliant to PC. - Loupy.

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01/24/2011 12:31 AM

And just now, I saw a flying giraffe pass by my window - what gives?

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01/23/2011 10:02 PM

Hey, guess what? - I just saw a pig flying outside my back window; but nonetheless he or she was still totally flying by - BELIEVE!!!

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01/19/2011 3:50 PM

Fool's errand.

This is so far over "over-unity" it's laughable.

How is it that Newton's laws don't apply to you? There seems to be a lot of things "over your head".

I'm tempted to look for a picture of cow flop to post.

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01/19/2011 8:06 PM

Allow me ...

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01/19/2011 9:57 PM

Thanks!

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01/20/2011 6:54 AM

Hi John DG, jolly good answer.

I'm not sure I understand.

Does the bull...it picture represent a ton of coal flattened into a rotating disk so that it's free Gravitational Inertia energy can be extracted without it's distruction or convertion to pollution?

OR.

Is it your way of indirectly saying what you think of CR4 content/ subscribers?

Either way, good answer and nice fish

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01/20/2011 5:42 PM

<...represent a ton of coal flattened into a rotating disk so that it's free Gravitational Inertia energy can be extracted without it's distruction or convertion to pollution...>

What it respresents is that there is more chance of obtaining energy by burning the biogas coming off that thing than any of the rotating coal, or whatever it is, that is being described in the original post....

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01/24/2011 1:05 AM

How about just THE 'UNITY" factors, completely without the 'OVER' unity complex? We are way too over brainwashed from old technolologies to not accept what is in front of our very eyes and beings to reason anymore.

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01/24/2011 1:15 AM

Please reread the OP's stuff here and elsewhere. (S)he claims 35kw out of her/his flywheel, with no (or initial finite but no further) input. That's not just unity; it's over.

I would be curious to know what 35kw load was on hand to make that test, but the OP hasn't supplied a single shred of sensible data or conception. And you are okay with that?

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01/24/2011 1:34 AM

there you go again

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01/24/2011 1:52 AM

So??? If you have a cogent statement to make, please do so. If you have an identity, please state it (evrn if only a pseudonym.)

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35 kw input ≈ 35 kw output subtract losses - (friction, heating, cooling, mechanical design), etc.

35 kw is quite a bit of power, almost enough to run a household for a day, so, yes I would be inclined to ask - "where the f*** does the input power terminate from?

If S(He) tells you or me that it is coming from an indeterminate rapidly spinning flywheel source,(mechanically coupled to secondary generation device); then, of course, one should inquire of the input power source, and what forces are necessary to initiate, and maintain the same levels of power input (35 kw) - beyond that - it's only a posting by a CR4 member thats worthy of our replies - Loupy.

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01/24/2011 2:50 AM

Please learn the difference between kw and kwh. 35kw will power some 12(±) normal houses on an average basis; 35kwh is about right for 0.5 house-days. (And it's house-days, not house/day. Please also learn your units.)

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"(S)he claims 35kw out of her/his flywheel"

I stand corrected. Thank you, Tornado.

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Not that that level of correction is worth much

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01/19/2011 4:03 PM

I am not sure about Flywheel here, but I am a fan of clockwork devices that use falling weights for power.

I thought it might be interesting if you used the tides to generate a little energy while a boat is anchored in a harbor. If the main line was off the front of the boat, a smaller weight could be lowered directly(ish) beneath the boat connected to a line and as the boat rises with the tide, the weight would sink back down to the bottom. This might be enough to trickle charge the batteries when the solar unit is not getting enough sun.

If the boat is at a dock, 4 lines could be attached to the pilings at 4 corners. As the boat lowers with the tide the lines could turn generators with a clockworks gearing. That might be enough to charge batteries for lights or other low consumption devices on the boat.

That is the only way I can see gravity = energy.

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01/20/2011 3:32 AM

Here in the West of Australia they have an experimental wave power project. It is completely sumerged and the change in water level above via tide and tide causes a change in bouyancy of several tethered floating units (well trying to float). This change in bouyancy is enough to drive a pump fixed to the ocean floor. It creates enough pressure to drive a small reverse osmosis desalination plant. I dont know much more about it other than it does work.

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Someone tried that in Devon - but the genny siezed ...

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I've got a grandfather clock too.

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01/19/2011 4:09 PM

Gravity = Energy

You forgot something

Gravity = Energy = bull\$#it

And

Gravity and f= ma.

Where does E=MC2 come into effect here? That formula is more closer to what your babbling about.

Sometimes one's better to keep ones mouth shut and just look ........

And by the way, about the Wright brothers, when they built their airplane they were very secretive about it, and didn't pop off about their ideas, they just did it. I do not think anybody really knew what they were building and was just speculative.

And you really shouldn't compare yourself to the Wright Brothers, its unfair to the Wright Brothers.

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01/19/2011 4:38 PM

Sorry, gravity energy (not all by itself, anyway). You owe it to yourself, and the rest of us as well, to take a physics class.

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01/19/2011 4:52 PM

I am still waiting for a reply to my other response. You just don't get it, in that order, Ky.

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01/19/2011 5:25 PM

Gravity has been used to generate energy for years. It's a fairly efficient process known as hydroelectic power generation. Gravity makes the rivers flow downhill. Direct that flow over a properly designed turbine and, viola! Electrical energy.

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01/19/2011 11:09 PM

The energy in question does not come from gravity; nor does the gravity diminish. Instead, the energy comes from objects or substances that have been lifted to higher altitude or pressure by other means. For hydropower, the substance is water, and the means is evaporation. The energy comes from the sun, not from gravity.

Gravity, pressure, and magnetism are analoguos to catalysts; they enable energy transfer between other sources, but they do not provide any of the energy themselves.

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01/20/2011 9:50 AM

Oh my… your replay makes me think that you think that I think (thought provoking?) gravity is diminished in the generation of hydroelectric power. After a careful perusal of my original post, I see that I said that gravity was used. There's no reference to it diminishing. I'm not sure how I communicated thoughts of diminishment, but I do hope this clarifies things a bit.

You note, "The energy in question does not come from gravity…" Technically true. The energy comes from the peculiar property of electromagnetism—electrons are nudged about in a changing magnetic field. The relative motion of the magnetic field to the electrical circuit in a generator comes from the kinetic energy of falling water buffeting turbine blades. The kinetic energy of the falling water comes from the attractive force between two masses which we call gravity. While the energy does not come directly from gravity, take away gravity, and the electrons stop moving about the electric circuit. You can't build an effective hydroelectric generator in a low-gravity environment such as in an orbiting space shuttle.

A similar causal chain describes the operation of a coal plant. Heat from burning coal causes a phase transformation in water (from liquid to gas); the phase change leads to a volume change which produces pressure, courtesy of the gaseous water; relieving this pressure leads to kinetic energy in the gas molecules; this kinetic energy is used to spin a generator's drive shaft which moves a magetic field relative to an electric circuit; this nudges electrons in the circuit creating current. So technically, the energy produced in a coal-burning plant is not really produced by the burning coal, yet conventional language has us calling it "coal power" nonetheless. What an untidy thing language is.

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This one:

What you are trying to tell me is that you are spinning the weight of my car at 75m/sec and harnessing the stored kinetic energy to power a generator which in turn supplies you with power for your residence. Is that it in a nut shell?

The only way I can see this happen (experimental) is it to get in my car (use petrol), and get it up to speed on a large empty space and then spin it. Doughnut style. I could do this a few times and it would get boring and expensive. It will spin as long as the energy (the stuff that gets me up to speed) is wasted and my tires are a bit worn and I feel a bit dizzy and it stinks.

Not as dizzy as your contraption or your presentation make me feel. Why not show us the patented machine and let us have a look at the "real thing"? Bearings, housing, electrical and mechanical connections, just the hard ware would be nice to look at. Enthusiasm does not replace the laws of physics, ever, not for you and not for nobody.

Ah, how do you get this thing up to speed? Don't tell me you have an unlimited supply of unobtainium. No worries Mate, waking up is not as bad as you think, Ky.

Do you remember?

Any response?

I'll leave the order to you, Ky.

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01/19/2011 11:04 PM

The OP explains his idea slightly more clearly in the thread you linked:

I have no Acidemic EGO or Masters Degree to to blind me to the Natural World, but I do have a simple Machine in my back yard that extracts the free energy that is available from Gravity and produces 35 free KWs. 24/7. I'm so uneducated that I can't explain to others why this machine works, but I can fully understand it myself.

I sometimes wonder if there is a computer virus that causes this gibberish to replicate: perhaps our OP is not a human, but just a computer program. The story is always the same: "I'm an uneducated simpleton with something in my backyard (basement, garage, car) that creates free energy. I can't explain how it works, I just know it does." The Wright brothers are always mentioned, and always in a way that reveals that the poster knows nothing about the Wright brothers and the history of powered flight.

Certainly, if these were humans who show up periodically, wouldn't they have a hard time dealing with all the ridicule?

Or perhaps they are human but masochists. Their pre-dinner conversation must be like this: "OK, honey, I'll be down for dinner in a few minutes... I'm getting my daily dose of abuse on the internet."

Or maybe they are human but lost. Maybe they think we are Keelynet, or one of the other 5000 pseudoscience sites.

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01/19/2011 11:33 PM

You don't seem very Moronic these days :D

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01/20/2011 9:45 AM

The top o the mornin KY.

"UNOBTAINIUM" good word, the only bit of creative thinking in this Forum, this is the stuff that powers our spaceship Earth at 66,000 mph around the Sun. UNOBTAINIUM is not fuel, it's the frictionless state of mass within Gravity.

I see you write music so you'll know about harmony and rythem. When you write an original piece of music you bring order to the chaotic vibration of the Universe. You reconfigure sound energy until it rocks you - feels right. You remove the friction from vibration here and there and you get harmony- near frictionless, sweet flowing soul pleasing vibration- m u s i c.

You'll need to reconfigure the mass of your car if you want UNOBTAINIUM. Like the big pile of bull...it picture on this Forum you need a large heavy rotating disk shape to reduce friction. Spin the be Jesus out of it and stand well back til you'r sure it's safe.

The if your still in one piece, measure the force required to maintain rotation against the force being exerted. Ride on, the difference is pure Peace and Love UNOBTAINIUM.

What's your take on Eagles Song "Hotal California"? Back in the magic 70s, four young men wrote this Masterpiece in the sunny California hills. Through the power of UNOBTAINIUM they were amazed that the result was a million different unintended meanings.

Besotted by the song I was motivated to build a big Motorhome, (RV) called Hotel California to see if I could make such an abstract place a reality. I must have got it fairly right. The UNOBTAINIUM energy, the public attraction to this Bus is like a powerful magnet. People are in awe of it, I'm amazed, it's only another Motorhome named after a Song.

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01/20/2011 10:56 AM

The if your still in one piece, measure the force required to maintain rotation against the force being exerted. Ride on, the difference is pure Peace and Love UNOBTAINIUM.

You've hit upon a common misconception among free energy psychotics thinkers. Flywheels confuse those without a grounding in physics, something anyone can obtain easily from the web these days, given a little initiative.

The energy that spins up a flywheel is always greater than the energy extracted. Some people are equally confused by swing-sets. It seems that it only takes very tiny amount of push to move a pretty heavy swinger. The torque required to maintain flywheel rotation can be very small, if no energy is being extracted, a feature which confuses some people. Flywheels have been used to drive buses, assist in acceleration of Formula One cars, etc. Their action has nothing even remotely related to the fact that gravity does not equal energy.

The action of flywheels, in fact, has nothing at all to do with gravity. They work equally well here, on the moon and in space.

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01/29/2011 2:29 PM

CORRECTION TO COMMENT:

"The action of flywheels has nothing to do with Gravity. They work equally well here, on the moon and in space" by MoronicBumble.

In near earth Gravity, a rotating mass ( flywheel ) has TWO extra frictional forces acting on it, that are absent in "frictionless" space. In space there is no vertical Gravitational drag, which massively reduces bearing friction, and no air drag. Any bearing friction would be relative to bearing quality and flywheel diameter/ design. Don't forget, no precession in space either.

On Earth, what takes only minutes for flywheel wind down, could take months, maybe years in the vacuum of space. This is why the UPS People always use a vacuum to spin their Flywheel Motor/Generators systems.

Regards to all on Phuket Island. Where the phuk is Phuket Island? I'm sure the Leprechauns will know!

Cheers

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01/29/2011 2:57 PM

Why is there no "Gravitational drag" and " no precession in space either"?

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01/29/2011 3:05 PM

and why is there no Google or world map in the land of the leprechauns so that they may discover the location of Phuket Island? harrumph

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01/29/2011 3:32 PM

Phuket, pronounced "poo-ket," is a real place, an oceanside town/city in Thailand.

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01/29/2011 3:43 PM

I know that. I was hoping Rufus J. Flywheel would at least look it up.

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01/29/2011 3:57 PM

Casting Assistants - they can get so grumpy

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01/29/2011 4:48 PM

That's not likely. And even he (s)he did, (s)he might not learn anything from it.

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01/29/2011 4:52 PM

"Rufus J. Flywheel" - love it!

(Izzat u, su? - no need to answer, jus' wink).

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01/29/2011 5:30 PM

That sounds like one of Groucho Marx's many identities.

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01/29/2011 5:31 PM

MISS DIMPLE: Law offices of Flywheel, Shyster and Flywheel. You want to speak to Mr. Ravelli? He's not in now, Madam. Mr. Flywheel's here. Oh, you don't want to speak to Mr. Flywheel? Groucho: Who doesn't want to speak to Mr. Flywheel? Give me that phone, Miss Dimple. I'll show her a thing or two. So, Madam, you don't want to speak to me? No, this isn't Ravelli. This is Flywheel. 'F' like in Flywheel, 'l' like in fly, 'y' like in Flywheel, 'wheel' like in wheel cutlet, and 'fly' like in milk. Listen, Madam, I'll have none of your lip, but I'll take an ear of corn. Goodbye! (Door opens) Mrs. Brittenhouse: Oh, Mr. Flywheel, I simply love the things you say.

Groucho: Oh, Mrs. Brittenhouse - I know you'll think me a sentimental old softie, but would you give me a lock of your hair? Mrs. Brittenhouse (coyly): Why, Mr. Flywheel! Groucho: I'm letting you off easily - I was going to ask you for the whole wig.

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01/29/2011 5:53 PM

Maybe someday we can throw W.C. Fields and his many identities into the mix. Or Lily Tomlin.

(I might be inclined to mark this OT, but since a false proposition implies any proposition, nothing in this dopey thread is really OT.)

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01/29/2011 6:06 PM

" ...since a false proposition implies any proposition ..."

My sentiments entirely. That guest - have a GA.

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01/29/2011 5:57 PM

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

Now we are slowly getting somewhere. Even this exercise in taking the pee is using energy and it hasn't even started spinning yet. It has no gravity at all but still attracts, if only nonsense.

I knew there was a reason for me growing a red beard although I am a brunette and only while surfing for weeks have I had blond hair. I have a lock from these times. Maybe I should circulate, give it a spin on Ebay?

All this energy going to waste, Ky.

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01/29/2011 6:13 PM

No, no! It's not wasted! We're absorbing it - it's adding to our own inner energy, and making us more powersome.

That which does not make our ribs hurt too much only makes us stronger.

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01/29/2011 6:53 PM

Would you like me to tell you a story that happened to me and has to do with gravity and ribs?

I'll try to but need encouragement, fuel, Ky.

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01/29/2011 7:02 PM

ooh ooh

Tell us a story Uncle Ky!

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01/29/2011 8:36 PM

True story!

Well............One day........... I had a real pain in the neck. I knew the pain and knew what would relieve it. If I say neck I mean the lower part between the shoulder blades. The guys that usually crank it back into place have a number for it.

Well............ anyway......... I had once been to Singapore and had this terrible attack and they brought me to a place were women walk (I mean literally walk) all over you. I am quiet strongly built so a hand massage would not have worked any way.. (You stay out of this 34.5!)

Well.............She walked all over me and when she hit that upper area it cracked like an inch thick branch had been snapped. Wow!! It was instant relief and I could walk again.

Anyway......... One day...... I got back to the house, from the pub, were a fellow artist was staying with his girl friend. I had 'this' pain in the neck and asked Pete to do the walk on me. I explained how he should do it and convinced him that his weight would be very similar to the weight of the woman back then.

Anyway......... a few minutes later he was walking on my back. Very slowly and me guiding him were to stand next. I had to control my breathing a bit to be able to speak so when he came to that upper neck part it sapped just like it did back then in Singapore.

Well...... what happened the very next half second was that I let out most of the air by giving out a loud "AHhhhh, thats better sound" letting go of most of the air in my lungs. This was followed by the sound of three of my lower ribs being broken. I had forgotten that Pete was still standing on me. I was not om a soft table either but on a tiled front veranda.

6 months later it still hurt when we met and cracked up laughing. Its better now and I would do it again but without letting gravity take control and leave some air in me to counteract the weight.

Anyway........ I better go and get a few things done.

Your dear Uncle from Rednunwod, Ky.

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01/29/2011 8:44 PM

Thankyou, Uncle.

Don't those ribs just hurt when they're broke? And older we get, longer they take to stop hurting .

Nice to get the neck sorted, tho'.

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01/29/2011 10:48 PM

Hi John, bit of a smirk on your face there......?

Did I tell you that I never went to a hospital? I knew that they would not have been able to do anything about it. We don't have a hospital here on the Island, only a clinic were they can order a chopper when the soft smelly substance hits the fan.

Only a few years later when I had x-rays for something else did the doctor ask me how that happened while pointing to the area of my chest. I lied and told him it was from playing rugby.

I'm over it now, I have confessed. Pete and I still get a laugh out of it but it was painful and took months to settle. Nuff said, hope it never happens to any one else. I'll leave this on topic because it has as much to do with gravity than many other stories being told here, Ky.

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01/30/2011 5:37 AM

That's genuine sympathy, honest!

One of mine was "direct" gravity in the form of Small jumping up and down on my chest - only picked up by unrelated x-ray several years later.

Couple of others "indirect" - car coming down hill couldn't take the turn and hit our car. I hit the passenger door with my elbow between the door and my ribcage. Wasn't bad at the time - picked up when the pain woke me (and kept me awake) a few days later, & I went to see the GP for some extra-strength knockout drops.

As you say - they can't do anything about it, so hospital's a waste of time.

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01/30/2011 11:44 AM

I've had a few of those indirect ones myself

most recently falling off a horse & landing on my right side

Cracked a couple of ribs

no reason for docs unless you see bone or cough up blood pretty much

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01/30/2011 5:46 PM

Yup - kinda sums it up.

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not fair

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01/30/2011 1:51 PM

Hi KY

This is a good example of Gravity=Energy or Gravitational Energy!

There are less painfull ways to experiment with Gravity.

I've never known a Singapore hand massage to fail.

Peace and Love Man

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Promise I'll buy you a pint next time you're in the Crown Red Lion Royal Oak Swan White Hart Railway Plough White Horse Bell New Inn Hope 'n' Anchor Dog 'n' Duck Bath 'n' CR4wl.

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01/30/2011 2:57 AM

Yeah, ky, you do see that gravity works. Too bad for your pain, but I have also fell from atop many ladders as an electrician, as well as pruning tree branches around my house. One thing that amazes me is that it 'ALLWAYS' hurts,- not the falling, per se, but always the 'HARD' landings and I have over the past 56 or so years, have learned to respect the POWER of Gravity, and to learn on how to harness it for peaceful purposes - not like Iran or N. Korea - GRAVITY RULES!!! - Loupy.

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01/29/2011 3:16 PM

There is no resistance in space, so I heard.

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01/29/2011 3:42 PM

Gee - I would have thought it's up in the millions of meg-ohms. The things you hear!

But you don't really think physics ceases to work in the absence of an atmosphere - or do you?

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01/20/2011 4:04 PM

You are clearly delusional and a truth bender and you exaggerate what you are seeing or seem to be witnessing. Show us just one picture or have the guy that wrote your patent comment on what you infiltrate us with. He must be too embarrassed but likes the \$\$ you pay him. Ah, he is doing it for free? Say no more.

The only reason I write music is because I can. I love repeating and repeating until I get it right. It is something attainable and sounds like a reflection of what I disinvest in. The soul and goody goody feelings you are talking about come at a price and demand extreme discipline and dedication and have to follow certain rules. Pleasure comes at a price, it is not for free and that's a good thing.

The word unobtainium has been around for many years, if not decades, it is not something I came up with. It is what we use here for themes, ideas you and others are throwing into the ring. In many other cases there is hope but with your style, and very sloppy at that, I don't think there is hope. Get real, like I said, waking up is not as painful as you might think. If you do your homework it might not even leave a scar.

Obtain truthfulness! Give Maya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_%28illusion%29 a kick up the backside! Stop lying to us and to your self.

In complete disgust, Ky.

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01/21/2011 6:53 PM

O A R you are an angry lot you CR4s.

KY, really? "pleasure comes at a price" clearly you'v never heard of the 60s Flower Power Family. It costs zero to be nice to your fellow man, it's a free priceless pleasure to make another human happy with only a few kind words.

"PLENTYAINIUM" unlike UNOBTAINIUM, is an energy source that appears to originate from somewhere between Gravity and E=mc2. Mass accelerated at 100m/sec has 4 times more energy than at 50m/sec but it does'nt require 4 times more acceleration force. This is what the Leprechauns call "PLENTYAINIUM"

As a founder member of the Flower Power Family I am immune to insult/scoffing etc.

Flower Power is the real solution to the worlds energy crisis. It takes substantially less energy to run a world of " peace and love" than a world of "friction". You say I should wake up and get real, reality isn't all it's cracked up to be.

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You say I should wake up and get real,

Were did I say that?

What I said was "waking up might not hurt as much as you think".

Before friendship and peace comes respect. You are completely lacking that and hence are harvesting just what you deserve. This is kids stuff what you are presenting here. We are grown ups and are interested in reality and how to better our and others lives. In small increments and not always successful. But we keep trying with all laws in place.

Go and do something really nice to your body, Ky.

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01/21/2011 7:17 PM

You probably should stay on the farm :D

you may be immune to insult/scoffing

are your creations immune to reality?

extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof

got any?

I don't believe you are a "Founder Member" of the Flower Power Family, which continues to this day in the SanFrancisco bay area, though some of the founding members like Ken Kesey & Timothy Leary have passed on...

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01/22/2011 9:27 AM

Ok Garrth, maybe not "Founder Member" of the wonderful Flower Power Family.

Can you accept that I'm a loyal and longstanding member who respects and practices Flower Power Family values?

Thank you for up dating me. I didn't know their was an actual Flower Power Family in San Francisco.

I thought Flower Power was a state of mind, - a revolution in thinking- enlightenment- a musically enhanced cure for "Human Ego".

Garrth, is your knowledge of physics and the natural world so limited / shaky that you, and the likes of you, react with petty sarcasm/bad manners when your little flat world cage is rattled with alternative/progressive thinking.

In my local pub when Ego becomes boring and obstructive we take it around the back and knock some Peace and Love into it. This is just an Irish thing, but worth remembering if you ever have the privledge of visiting Paradise Ireland.

PROOF! OK, thousands of years ago the Greeks showed us that with a long enough lever and somewhere to stand, we could lift this planet with the 200lbs,or so of force in the human arm. A mechanical torque arm gives us control over Gravity/energy. If we can lift planets with 200lbs of force, we can lift /DRIVE giggawatts with killowatts, but we need to use Greek technology and reconfigure the present structure of ac alternators.

When Oil Companies and Governments loosen their grip on energy production, when our Acedemic leaders open thier minds to loopholes in oldfashioned physics laws and when online Forums on engineering are limited to creative contributers only, there will be PLENTYAINIUM for everyone.

A little Poem by the Leprechauns;

I'm hopelessly terminally insane

medication and theraphy was in vain

and to further confuse me those who accues me

only have half my brain.

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01/22/2011 10:35 AM

How can you make any determination what so ever about the depth of my knowledge base?

My observations about your project are based on my only available points of reference, what you have written here .

on this site we deal in facts, science

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01/22/2011 1:22 PM

I could be completely wrong here, but in my opinion, you are not of substantially below average intelligence. However, you appear to act in ways that are aimed at aggressively becoming stupider rather than smarter as you go through life.

I say that because it is profoundly easy, given average intelligence, to gain an understanding of the most basic elements of how things work. Those very basic elements are described in the science of physics. If you truly understand physics, then you will find it easier to understand chemistry, the science of how tiny particles* (atoms and molecules) come together and come apart. If you understand chemistry you will understand the basics of biology: all living things are agglomerations of chemicals. If you understand biology, you will start to have a foundation for understanding animal behaviour: you can say with some certainty, for example, what a rat will do in a Skinner box (but can barely guess at what a human might do next). If you have a full understanding of psychology and neuroscience (the sciences that study what makes animals tick) you could get a just the first glimpse into why people do the things they do (so far no one on earth has anything remotely close to a full understanding at this level... they are just coming close to that first glimpse.) Bright, creative, well-educated (self or otherwise) people can, given this background, then make some stabs at spirituality, and can draw parallels between, for example, quantum physics and observations (brain wave mapping, etc.) that can be made in and among people meditating. Given all this background study, and then some, one can imagine that a person could then make a tiny, timid, tentative stab at the nature of the overall creative force, what people have called God.

You are not yet close to being at step one in this process. You are not alone. You are completely misinterpreting even what Archimedes knew, more than 2000 years ago about the lever. He did not invent the lever, but described its function in mathematical terms, and (sadly) knew far more about its function and the relationships between force, work, power, and energy than you do now. From what you have written here, you know perhaps 1/100th of what Archimedes knew about basic physics and the nature of gaining knowledge (how to learn) of how things work. (I'm exaggerating, in your favor, to be polite.) But that is OK. Because, as I said, it is profoundly easy to gain knowledge of physics today. You can learn at your own pace, and the incredible power of hyperlinks enables you to learn more and more and more in as much detail as you can absorb about every element of basic physics.

This is a good place to start.

It is nearly criminal, in my view, to have at our fingertips a level of knowledge (and profoundly easy access to that knowledge) that would have been unimaginable to the Greeks and even to my grandparents, born in the late 19th century. It is so easy to obtain such knowledge, that to so aggressively avoid finding those answers, even at the incredibly simple levels of which we are speaking (the most basic Newtonian physics) is evidence of stunningly, stupendously, breathtaking laziness. Sorry... calls em like I sees em.

Given that... to then criticize the people who actually do stuff and make stuff that works, is a sad brew of raging ego, arrogance, and pitiful ignorance.

Spend the next month cruising the site I referenced. Then, perhaps you will be able to write in a language that others can understand, and will have come to understand that, in engineering and science, force, energy, work, moment, torque, efficiency, etc., etc., have very specific and well-understood meanings. If you throw these terms around willy-nilly, you communicate absolutely nothing. Period. A word salad of engineering terms incorrectly used has no more meaning than this phrase does to an English speaker: lqkewrj oioir ee popowk pkjj lkoewrd nmf. (No exaggeration. Simple truth.)

After you've gained some understanding of the most basic underpinnings of science, come back and we can suggest the next step. Anyone in the world can now have free access to MIT's best instructors... yet sadly, blinded by ego, immobilized by laziness, very few people take advantage of what's out there.

If you can't take even that first step, Phuk off, as we say on Phuket Island.

If we instituted your filter (when online Forums on engineering are limited to creative contributers only) you would not be allowed into CR4. Drink less, learn more.

* I am using this word as a simplifying metaphor.

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01/22/2011 4:00 PM

Hi MB

Thanks for that. Here is the news:

The sound your writeup made by going over CD's head possibly created more energy than his non existent flywheel could ever create. Perls for the swines! He is a liar and in denial and overrates his abilities to take people out the back. His abilities to deal with people in a public forum are nonexistent, but we knew that.

Thanks for the effort though, Ky.

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01/22/2011 4:44 PM

That is epic

I've added it to my list of hobbit chow

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01/28/2011 8:03 PM

Hi Moronic Bumble, Fair play, you are some writer. Well done, a thought provoking reply indeed.

Thankfully we live in an age where human understanding is evolving to higher levels at an historic pace. That applies to all of us! Me included. Instinct/ Inspiration tells us that we only need to learn what we need to know to avoid Squandering Life Through Laziness.

I have no desire to squander time learning stuff and becoming a human Data Bace of entropy.

I have certain interests, one of them being "energy" so I focused on it. All I know on this subject is that centrifugal, centripital and inertia forces appear (from wherever, I dont care) in a heavy, high speed, digitly ballanced rotating mass. A near frictionless body. I have experienced ( NOT READ ) by tinkering and tweaking that these forces far exceed the lesser forces that cause/create them.

So powerfull are these forces that they can cause explosion in a steel structure.

This is not my opinion, this is how it is , in Ireland anyway! Phuket Island sounds a nice place, is it anywhere near Cloud Nine.

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01/28/2011 9:05 PM

"energy". Hmm.

You would do well to look a little wider. You could start well by learning that force and energy are not the same thing. You could also learn the meaning (and the context in which the concepts are applicable) of centrifugal and centripetal. You could also investigate the definition of the word inertia.

If you're impatient, you could look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion (which sums it all up in this context).

To try to concentrate on one small aspect of the interwoven laws/rules/actualities/spells (call them what you will) that govern the space in which we exist, without consideration of the interrelated concepts, is nugatory.

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01/29/2011 1:24 AM

So powerfull are these forces that they can cause explosion in a steel structure.

Dragsters have scatter shields for this reason. There is nothing the least out of the ordinary with flywheels, and the most sophisticated, such as the ones used in Formula One (or in UPSs) can deliver a large portion of the energy that was use to spin them up -- they can work about as well as a good electric battery.

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01/19/2011 6:20 PM

Is everyone okay with the, " sex, drugs and rock & roll part" ?

No sense making this a complete downer.

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01/19/2011 6:25 PM

Gravity came first. I was there.

Sex followed shortly thereafter.

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01/20/2011 1:41 AM

lynlynch -- Howcome you're different from the rest of us? .....EW

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01/20/2011 1:53 AM

Different from whom?

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01/20/2011 9:30 AM

I tried being like everybody else. It was boring.

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01/19/2011 6:51 PM

drugs would explain this post....and the sex part.... Yes please

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01/20/2011 8:42 AM

May be age related 'Gravity" has gravely grounded the sex part!!!!!

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01/19/2011 7:43 PM

Even as a non expert, you lost me at having a ton of coal spinning around.

How do propose to spin around a ton of coal? A ton of anything spinning around can produce energy.......yes, kinetic energy, lot's of it................something's got to spin it.

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01/19/2011 10:52 PM

Be polite everyone, it could be a good idea.

What about mining minerals with the potential energy already inside!!!!!!! Just think, we could mine the coal at the top of Mount Everest and use its P.E. to do useful work.We could put stuff at the top of mountains and see if it absorbs the P.E. from its surroundings.

We need lots of Government money for this concept fast. Ffej

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01/19/2011 11:10 PM

Seems to me you discovered gravity BEFORE all that other stuff (i.e.,you were dropped on your head while a child.)

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01/19/2011 11:34 PM

You were lambasted by plenty of others--no use me wasting any more time with your "perpetual motion."

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01/19/2011 11:52 PM

combining answers #1 & #15 would be a good example of gravity in action

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01/20/2011 1:40 AM

Dear Sir, Wait another 20 years and people will talk of gravity more. Lift generating energy while going down.( cars are already doing regenerative braking) Make lake at Mountain top and collect rain water there for generating electricity Use kinetic energy of rain drops to generate power. All are by use of gravity.Nature has to give the gravitational energy. The God is SUN. Let the oil heat \$200, more ideas will come. May be 1 out of 10 ideas will be fruitful, but never stop thinking. Best Wishes.

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01/20/2011 3:34 AM

Unfortunately, there is no way to extract energy form the gravity itshelf, meaning you cannot reduce the gravitational energy in order to get another form of energy (e.g. transformation to electric energy).

As a matter of fact, you have to give energy -i.e. work- in order to put an object onto a higher level and obtain potential energy. This potential energy is stored and can be released at any time: just let the object fall and you'll get kinetic energy (which, in turn, could be tranformed to -e.g.- electric energy). This final energy that you get is somewhat less than your initial work, due to thermal losses. (In an ideal system: initial work=final energy).

Many "hunters of the dream" for an "over-unity" machine were trying to use the existing Earth's gravitational field (and/or magnetic field of permanent magnets) in order to get a "non stop movement" of an object... They didn't succeed to built neither an "over-unity" nor an "egual-unity" machine... That's the reality and you have to deal with it...

(Probably, there could be another source of "free energy": the energy of the space itshelf, i.e. the "vacuum energy": this is the kind of energy that (it is supposed that) it is responsible for the accelerated expansion of the universe...)

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### Re: Gravity= Energy

01/20/2011 11:41 AM

As a matter of fact, you have to give energy -i.e. work- in order to put an object onto a higher level and obtain potential energy. This potential energy is stored and can be released at any time: just let the object fall and you'll get kinetic energy (which, in turn, could be tranformed to -e.g.- electric energy). This final energy that you get is somewhat less than your initial work, due to thermal losses. (In an ideal system: initial work=final energy).

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(Probably, there could be another source of "free energy": the energy of the space itshelf, i.e. the "vacuum energy": this is the kind of energy that (it is supposed that) it is responsible for the accelerated expansion of the universe...)

Thank you, George, seeing these ideas in juxtaposition has revealed what I have been looking for in my quest for a source of fresh water that generates electricity in the device itself. Vacuum is the key, and both the vacuum and the electrical generation are provided by gravity. But there is still a small cost. Thanks.

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### Re: Gravity= Energy

01/20/2011 6:51 PM

Yikes! Do you people go to a special school in which they teach only how to obfuscate?

You wrote: my quest for a source of fresh water that generates electricity in the device itself.

What do you mean by in the device itself? In what device? Are you thinking of a lake that generates electricity in itself?

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