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Welding on Vibrating Structures

02/24/2011 1:22 AM

I would like to know if it will cause any problems in using TIG welding on an air pre heater ducting structure which is continuously vibrating due to the internal fans operated by electrical motors. Appreciate your comments.

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Re: Welding on Vibrating Structures

02/24/2011 9:14 AM

I don't think it would hurt to try it. You may want to try to fashion some sort of external brace to dampen the vibration while welding. That's my guess.

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02/27/2011 1:35 PM

he could weld practice piece on top of the cover so he could get a feel for how much it moves

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02/24/2011 2:59 PM

Be Very careful - any dust in the ducts which gets hot enough will burn very fast - and the air flow could send a fireflash through the whole system!

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02/24/2011 3:13 PM

Excellent point! Not enough info in the OP to tell if the air to the preheater is filtered or what the setup is.

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Re: Welding on Vibrating Structures

02/25/2011 9:07 AM

I worked in a large fab shop for years. On some of the heavy weldments we set up vibration equipment on the weldments to stress releive the weld while welding. This was using mig and fluxcore wire fed equipment.

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Re: Welding on Vibrating Structures

02/25/2011 9:52 AM

Not as long as the welder synchronizes his motions with the vibrations.

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02/25/2011 1:38 PM

It could actually give you a better weld, if it is vibrating.

The issue of the flashfire is another matter and should be taken into consideration.

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02/25/2011 2:19 PM

What you wish to consider is that you want to use a technique that creates more ductility. A rule of thumb is that the stronger the metal, the harder and less ductile it is. For this reason you would be better to use a weaker rod like 6010 as opposed to 8018, even though the latter is stronger it is also more likely to work harden and fail. If it is excessive vibration you need to make sure that there is a backup for safety in case your weld should fail. All metal will harden as it is "worked" or stressed, and this decreases the ductility, while adding to the hardness. A simple example of this "work hardening" is when you bend a wire back and forth to break it. What you really are doing is hardening it until it fails and breaks.

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Re: Welding on Vibrating Structures

02/25/2011 3:11 PM

Maybe we should consider the thickness of metal to be welded and length of repairs. Backstepping on long seams gives a great advantage allowing the weld area to cool while continuing the work. What is the length of welded area and how much vibration do you have to contend with? Mechanical vibration of a few thoundanths or a few sixteenths of an inch can be compensated by a good welder. As I said earlier vibration can be advantageous in reducing stress built up in the weld area. I would not think that you would be trying to repair something comparable to an earthquake situation. I would say go on and do it. if it looks like crap simply grind it out and weld it again. This is common practice in welding contaminated material to cook out the contaminanted material and grind it out and do it again. In a bag house situation I would imagine it is already quite dirty. Be sure to power brush or sand/grind the weld area. Chicken feather sanding disks do a great job with minimal material removal. these can be found at almost any welding supplier. Thin parting disks will get you down to a good root area. Same as the chichen feather disks or flap disks used in a side grinder. Dont be scared. jump on it and get it done.

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02/27/2011 12:21 PM

Chicken feather sanding disks?

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Re: Welding on Vibrating Structures

02/27/2011 3:48 PM

Sand paper flap disks.

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