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Can a Plastic Bottle be Used for Transporting Aquarium Fish

08/22/2011 4:49 PM

Can a plastic bottle hold compressed air and water? I need to transport aquarium fish from city to city. The distance is about 700Km and take about totally 10 hours for delivery.

Traditionally it use plastic bag holding water and compressed air. Can plastic bottle be used? The most difficult part is how to seal the bottle without leakage of compressed air.

Anybody know how to inject carbon dioxide into bottle soft drink? Is it applicable to my case?

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08/22/2011 5:04 PM

I am not understanding the part about why you would want to put fish in a carbon dioxide compressed atmosphere. I would think that would kill the fish but I don't know much about that.

That said they do sell a device for making soda water with carbon dioxide in a soda bottle. You can also make one yourself with a schrader valve for a car.

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08/22/2011 6:15 PM

I am not putting CO2 into the bottle!

Soft drink company can put compressed CO2 into the bottle and seal it. So can I put compressed air into the bottle!

But how? Anybody know an easy way?

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08/22/2011 5:28 PM

I'd suggest sticking with the plastic bags - presumably you usually use several bags in an insulated (expanded polystyrene?) box.

The plastic bags don't take much pressure - the compressed air is just a way of inflating them easily so there's a reasonable amount of oxygen for the trip. The pressure in the bags will be only slightly above ambient.

With several of the 'floppy' bags in a box, individual fish would be less prone to trauma than if each was in a rigid container - the whole thing could slosh about gently, rather than each smaller container slopping around. Also, with rigid bottles, the pressure could get quite high - to the fish it would be like going into deep water (to which they may not be adapted).

The plastic bag/insulated box method has been used successfully for many years - any special advantage in your proposed method?

"Anybody know how to inject carbon dioxide into bottle soft drink? Is it applicable to my case?" - FFS don't use carbon dioxide (unless you want dead fish). No, it is not applicable.

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08/23/2011 4:56 AM

Another advantage to the plastic bag method is that it's easy to float the bags in the target aquarium while the water temperatures slowly equalize (to avoid thermal shock) before gently releasing the fish.

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08/22/2011 5:38 PM

I don't see any reason to compress the air; certainly not CO2 unless you want dead fish. I'd use large gallon-sized bottles (or bigger; the biggest ones I could get and carry) and leave a large air space at the top so that oxygen can dissolve into the water as the fish breathe.

I'd actually leave the caps off if possible and use supports to keep the bottles from falling over. If that's not an option, I'd stop about half-way and pour some freshly oxygenated water into the bottles with the fish.

To oxygenate the water, just fill the bottle half full of water, cap it, then shake it thoroughly to dissolve air into the water.

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08/22/2011 5:47 PM

To oxygenate the water, just fill the bottle half full of water, cap it, then shake it thoroughly to dissolve air into the water.
Just not with the fish inside I hope.

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08/22/2011 5:53 PM

Why not something like this bubbler thing that runs on batteries? I think its for keeping fish alive in your bucket when you are fishing, I have seen ones in the store that run on 12 volts also.

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08/22/2011 6:35 PM

I will give the fish to a train staff and somebody will take the stuff to the desired station.

I think seal a bottle with compressed air is better and your stuff is not quite suitable.

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08/22/2011 10:55 PM

I used to import tropical & marine fish from Thailand to England, they would be in transit for a couple of days. The fish would be in clear plastic bags 1/3 water 2/3 air, tightly sealed with an elastic band then wrapped in newspaper, then sealed in a polystyrene box. I rarely had dead fish, you'd be surprised how well protected they are! whatever you do, keep them in the dark, they will be most susceptible to shock if they can see!

Good luck with your move!

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08/22/2011 11:23 PM

Yes, provided that the bottle is big enough and the internal pressure isn't to great. Remember, it is not absolute pressure that destroys a vessel but relative pressure i.e. the pressure differential between vessel internal pressure and ambient pressure (atmospheric pressure) so make sure that you do only pressurize the bottle below its design limits.

Sealing the bottle is easy. You can drip wax onto the seal or use silicone cement.

Finally, don't use air to pressurize the bottle, use pure oxygen.

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08/22/2011 11:31 PM

I drove 1000 miles with my 4 fish in a 5 gallon plastic water bottle. Used a cheap inverter and my aquarium air pump and air stone. Vented the bottle with a length of vertical air line such that it wouldn't spill water but air could escape.

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08/22/2011 11:49 PM

I travel with fish a few times a week, usually find the best way is to get a couple of dollars worth of chips at the same time and maybe a slice of lemon, sprinkle of salt, wrap in newspaper.

Works a treat

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08/23/2011 12:01 AM

Question1:

Yes bottles can hold a mix of water and compressed air. Pet bottles (like the coca cola 2 liter) can hold close to 10 bar. This is a scary situation for a fish, unless if it is one that is used to live in deep waters.

Can you put a fish in there? Yes when it fits through the opening. If that is a problem, don't worry you can also buy jar types bottles like used in laboratories. I have some here with a cover of 6 inches. These bottles are pressure tight.

If the fish is flat on arrival and the eyes are sticking out like with....... you overpressured it.

Question2:

You buy a cylinder of CO2 gas like you use to pressurize draft beer installations. If pure enough, you can also use the CO2 they use to (deep) weld steel. You need a connector nut, a pressure regulator, and a shut-off valve on the low pressure side.

1.Stick a plastic tube in the bottle in the water and release your load. The colder your water is, the better it works - screw the cap on tight quick.

2.You can also drop some liquid CO2 in the water, but that is more specialized and needs extra equipment.

3. You can do it also with frozen CO2 pellets. That is solid CO2. The so called "carbon glace"- excuse my French.

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08/23/2011 1:03 AM

Save on the co2 cost. just put the fish in the plastic bottle and "CAP" it tightly. They will die during transport and will be " Fresh! dead on arrival".

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08/23/2011 2:53 AM

How about nonpressurized fish containers fed by a compressed air or oxygen cylinder with flow regulators and bubblers to each container?

Regardless of what scheme, you must calculate the amount of air or oxygen needed for the trip, with a suitable reserve in case of delays.

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Re: Can a Plastic Bottle be Used for Transporting Aquarium Fish

08/23/2011 9:15 AM

If you are so adamant to use pressurized bottles, buy a used bottling plant, place the fish in the bottle and pressurize and seal them.

BUT be aware that almost surely all your fish will arrive dead, since pressurization will affect them even if it is with oxygen.

I agree with the other people that you should stick with plastic bags inside of carboard boxes.

If you want to see professionals do it, look at the series TANKED on TV on sundays.

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