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Laptop Computer Weight

09/16/2011 11:31 PM

Hi CR4 Contributors

I have bought a new computer and then loaded a lot of information on to it, including scanned documents, operator manuals etc etc.

I also noticed that when the battery is fully discharged or charged and no matter how much information is stored it still weighs the same, its like magic.

I just would like to see who can come up with the craziest or funniest answer, to this, then I may reveal who I am.

I am looking forward to your comments.

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09/16/2011 11:36 PM

If you were to put weightier opinions on it....

Or if AI really cranks up to the level of soul, does it then weigh 21 grams more?

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09/17/2011 12:20 AM

In a move to make politicians computer-savvy, all minister were given laptops. As soon as they loaded their speeches, all the laptops became lighter perhaps due to a lot of hot air. More than 50% of the laptops actually levitated, and had be anchored.

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09/18/2011 2:10 AM

Hi Sridhar,

It is sheer waste of money to give Lap Tops to politicians. Instead they should have been given to poor school children.

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09/17/2011 12:32 AM

That's because Microsoft has discovered the ultimate miracle diet. You can eat as much garbage as you want and never gain weight which explains why Windows is so wonky.

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09/17/2011 2:37 AM

It's because the information is 1s and 0s the weight averages out.
Blank memory is 1s which are heavier, if you load it with 0s it will become much lighter.
I suggest you wipe the hard drive.
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09/17/2011 8:28 AM

Laptop weight is not a function of the data loaded, or the battery charge state. The weight increase is, however, directly proportional to how far you have to carry it.

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09/17/2011 7:12 PM

When the battery is discharged it is "dead weight" - and seems heavier: when fully charged it is "live weight" so although heavier, reads lighter.

As for the weight of your data, the hard drive on a new computer is not really empty. They fill the hard drives with heavy 'packaging data', so the machine weighs at full capacity before shipping. The packaging data is made to appear as empty space, and is simply erased as you save or upload your own files.

This clever ruse was implemented, on the reasoning that consumers who felt physically burdened by the increasing amount of information accumulated on their computers, would not be interested in upgrading to a bigger hard drive.

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09/17/2011 7:21 PM

Many reports of getting lighter when loaded some go so far as getting high

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09/17/2011 11:32 PM

All logic bits weigh the same.If a one is put in, a zero is replaced by the one, so no net weight gain or loss.Also, electrons weigh the same as holes, so when you charge the battery, the holes are replaced by electrons, and just the opposite when discharged.Do not forget the some photons are emitted to the outside of the computer, and photons have mass, but every photon has a counterpart, called a darkon, that replaces it.They have the same mass, so for every photon emitted, there is a darkon absorbed from the vacuum energy field that permeates space.

Now that I have settled that, does anyone know how to make my monitor more intelligent?I have turned up the brightness but that doesn't seem to help?

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09/17/2011 11:39 PM

Now that I have settled that, does anyone know how to make my monitor more intelligent?I have turned up the brightness but that doesn't seem to help?

Er....darken the room perhaps ?

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09/18/2011 12:34 AM

Duh! Tanks,man.I never tought o' dat.Yu so 'mart, I feel dum.By de way, whur can I get a nudder coffee cup holder, you no, dat tray ting dat pops out whin yu hit de button?

Mine is brok,...want com out anymore since I dropped de jelly toast on it.It went bak in, whirred,whined,groaned, den made a sound kinda like a squished frog when yur girlfreind sets on it.Had a funi smell, too, like de time i spilled my home made wine on the wood stove.Not much smoke came out, jus a little.Reckon I kin fixit?Or bedder togit a new un?

Anxiosly waitin yer reply.

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09/18/2011 10:34 PM

i had exactly the same problem, except that in my case, i tried to cook a chapati (Indian bread)...so i got myself a new PC...

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09/19/2011 2:30 AM

Photo does not include chapati or pc. That amber liquid looks good though!

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09/19/2011 3:07 AM

Of course i wouldn't put a Chapati in the new one. So i put beer.

This PC is available from LynDoor® and KrisDel™. Attractive discounts on upgrades (Beer and CPU both) available on extended warranty.

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09/19/2011 9:07 PM

I've had a better look at the photo..yes it is an old pc. Never thought to use as a beer tap / dispenser.

However what discounts do LynDoor® and KrisDel™. Industries offer on these upgrades??

I would be a little worried about the USB and audio ports getting splashed. What are their IP ratings, if any??

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09/18/2011 12:12 AM

If you are using the "Lite" versions of many of the installed programs, I could see why it may not weigh as much as those with full versions ... but I would still expect to see the weight increase with the bits. Maybe the 1s are stored inside the 0s, sort of like nuts and bolts?

I remember on Letterman years ago when he used to throw objects off a roof, when he repeated Galileo's experiments and found that light beer fell the same speed as regular.

(enjoying the levity!)

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09/18/2011 2:51 AM

Indeed it is magic but nature is like this: energy and information seems without any weight but this is that complete true? Well as we all know, Einstein came up with his famous relationship E = m * c^2 - so there must be a weight difference between a fully charged and empty battery. I did some simple math based on the assumptions that the battery has in total 160Wh as its best. The weight difference is about 6 10^-6 g, that is approximately the weight of 1/50000 human hair. Quite difficult to measure this small difference, could you?

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09/18/2011 2:30 PM

The argument about information is still going on among the brightest minds about whether information disappears in a black hole.If information has no mass, it is invisible to a black hole.If it has mass, it must require some amount of mass to store it, whether photons,darkons,electrons,holes,etc.

Of course, there is a possibility of "dark information" existing within dark matter or dark energy.This would require a photo negative to be developed of the universe to see it.

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09/18/2011 3:07 AM

You have just the right mix of light and heavy information on your pc. If you just use it for heavy technical stuff, you won't be able to lift it

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09/18/2011 5:54 AM

you people are all supposed to be engineers?

It's obvious what's happening - you're just confusing mass and weight - very common.

You see, every time you plug the laptop in and load new information into the laptop or charge the battery, you use energy. The energy you use causes carbon dioxide at some distant power station to be released into the atmosphere, which causes a net increase in the density of the atmosphere.

Therefore even though the laptop's mass increases when you put all those documents in, this is offset by the increase in buoyancy, so on your scales you see no net increase in weight.

If we went down the path of using only renewable energy sources, we would find our laptops would become heavier and heavier until we were unable to move them more than a few inches, until we deleted all the emails with large attachments.

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09/18/2011 12:42 PM

This is a heavy problem for a light weight mind like yours. You cover is blown, Simple Mind.

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09/19/2011 3:20 AM

The problem is with your computer. It does not have a hard drive (your brain), making everything you save/store in it worthless. You need to reboot before it is too late...or sorry, it is late already!

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09/19/2011 10:17 AM

You are probably using a net-zero font, like Courier or Arial.

Try a different font (bold ones especially!) and see what happens.

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09/19/2011 12:47 PM

I am shocked that everyone is making light of a serious problem with a very real solution! Or at least, a very real explanation.

The issue here is phlogiston. Since the 1600's, scientists have known that burning materials (like "burning a CD" -- thought it was coincidence, didn't you?) dephlogistonizes materials leaving only clax. The issue that scientists and engineers have had is being able to rephlogistonize materials. Until fairly recently, it was not known that an electric current can be used to remove AND REPLACE phlogiston in certain materials. Magnetic materials are the most sensitive and easiest to manipulate in this way.

So, what is happening when something is recorded on your computer is that the electric current flows over the hard drive removing various amount of phlogiston. The hard drive can be read later and data extracted based on how much clax is left on that particular portion of the hard drive. The plogiston is trapped with in the hard drive (some advanced models actually use it for additional memory, but that's another explanation). By reversing the current over the hard drive, the phlogiston can be restored to the hard drive thus erasing the data.

This is why it is bad to get a magnet near a data storage device. If the clax is at all altered, then restoring the phlogiston is no longer possible. The device is ruined. Like wise on certain CDs and DVDs, the phlogiston has been permanently removed in the recording process therefore, these discs cannot be rewritten asa the phlogiston and clax are locked.

Since phlogiston is colorless, odorless, tasteless and weightless, it makes no difference to the weight of the PC. Even if there were weight associated with phlogiston, it would remain trapped inside the PC, so weight would remain the same.

I hope this helps clear up the issue.

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09/20/2011 8:51 AM

Your computer will weight a little more when dust and dirt get in it! just wait a while!

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09/20/2011 11:44 AM

I will take a crack at both mysteries...

You, sir, (I think) are obviously a being from another dimension. You are puzzled that the weight of your computer doesn't change with information. It is a basic problem of quantum physics. Your computer weighs what it does in this universe because you do the measurement of its "weight"; weight being a cumulative property of the underlying quantum states of the matter making up the computer. And you are only doing it in "this" universe. If you will measure it in the universe you came from and report back, it might be heavier or lighter, depending on the information it contains. It is possible that the weight may not change, as per Del's estimate that the 1's and 0's are likely to lead to a net sum of zero. But it is also likely that it will be different, since your "observation" will now be made from a different perspective, so to speak.

Regardless of the outcome, we do know just how important "information" is in Physics circles. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been such chaos over Stephen suggesting that information isn't preserved in the presence of a black hole. And if I were to underline the gravity of the situation, I might also conclude that you are a member of the band, U2!

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09/20/2011 12:07 PM

Set your screen saver to the slideshow, not blank/black. Leave the laptop on for an extended period of time (you'll need a lot of pictures). As the photons are expelled from the screen, the mass will slowly decrease thereby making the weight decrease as well.

It's best to do this in a dark room with a watcher and no reflective surfaces so the photons have a place to go.

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10/31/2011 9:17 AM

This article in today newspaper suggests that your question may not be quite as daft as you thought it was.

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10/31/2011 12:42 PM

Oh great

That's right up there with increased climate energy means 'warmer'.

I suppose it also means the Earth is 'heavier' at the top in summer and that explains it wobbling over to winter?

April 1st in Berkeley more that likely.

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