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Axial Float Problem in 275kw Motor

10/05/2011 12:10 AM

We have one water pump driven by 275kw motor(Marathon make) with drive end bearing cylindrical roller bearing (NU321) and non drive end deep groove ball bearing(6321). Axial float in motor shaft checked with dial gauge is observed as 0.40mm. Normally antifriction bearings should not have this much axial float. Please advise.

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Re: axial float problem in 275kw motor

10/05/2011 2:15 AM

Insert 0.30mm shim somewhere?

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Re: axial float problem in 275kw motor

10/05/2011 5:41 AM

Is the float the bearing itself or is the float within the bearing?

If the bearing is moving, yes, shim the bearing.

If it is the bearing itself. perhaps you could use a tapered roller bearing, oriented correctly, instead? These handle thrust loads much better.

I believe there is a ball-type bearing designed to handle thrust, also.

I'm surprised a motor of this size does not use some type of thrust bearing.

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Re: axial float problem in 275kw motor

10/05/2011 12:07 PM

"I'm surprised a motor of this size does not use some type of thrust bearing."

Me too, that's the usual design for this kind of application. Did someone make this pump themselves and use an off-the-shelf industrial motor? If so, they apparently were not aware of the concept of a thrust bearing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_bearing

There are other things you can do as well to reduce the thrust in axial pumps.

http://centrifugalpump.org/thrust_axial.html

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Re: axial float problem in 275kw motor

10/06/2011 11:22 AM

Deep groove ball bearings can take thrust loads too.

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Re: Axial Float Problem in 275kw Motor

10/06/2011 12:30 AM

when you say marathon , are you talking a hagglunds marathon motor , or an electric motor banded Marathon ???

please confirm

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10/06/2011 11:26 AM

I don't know about hagglunds marathon motor. It's an electric motor of Marathon make.

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Re: Axial Float Problem in 275kw Motor

10/06/2011 11:13 AM

Keep in mind the following. When an electrical motor is running during several hours, the rotor temperature is higher than the temperature of the stator. This means that the elongation as a result of the thermal expansion of the motor shaft, will be greater than the elongation of the motor body.

Can this explain the axial float ?

We have seen an elongation from about 8 mm in a 250 kW motor

If you examine the spring, that puts axial stress on the "floating" bearing, in a motor.

And this motor has a periodical working cycle (running for several hours to warm up, then stands still for a long time to cool down), You will see that after several years, the spring is wear down on the places where it is in contact with the motor endshields on one side and with the bearing outer ring on the other side. The reason is the elongation of the motor shaft caused by temperature change.

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Re: Axial Float Problem in 275kw Motor

10/06/2011 11:40 AM

No, I'm not talking about effect of thermal expansion. Its a result of simple check in cold and decoupled condition. Normally electric motors fitted with such bearings have axial float limited to about 0.1 mm.

Off late, checked 3 other motors of Marathon make (all 4 are new installations), found similar result, between 0.3 to 0.4 mm. Inquired with OEM (Marathon), they say up to 0.3 mm can be allowed.

Is the reply of OEM is satisfactory, when electric motors of other makes fitted with such bearings have axial float limited to about 0.1 mm?

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10/06/2011 5:23 PM

very good answer

this is why many twin bearing shaft assemblies will have one captive bearing with interference fit , and another floating bearing to accomodate axial expansion due to thermal variations.

i sometimes use a spherical bearing on one end of a shaft which are great for both radial and axial loads , with the second bearing being a floating race , such as NU324 cylindrical roller.

these allow for up to 2.5 mm axial movement , and interference fit can be used on the races to prevent spun bearings which can occur in cases where a floating bearing fit is used

win-win situation

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