Does your device speed the healing of these various injuries, and what tests or evidence can you present to prove your conclusions?

Do you have money for these trials?

And, if you ever want to be taken seriously, you'll need to significantly improve on your spelling, punctuation and grammar in general.

we have 3 months of testing in total and yes its going to cost me 25 k for the insurance alone. it heals the patients with 1 or 2 treatments. we have seen most ofter problems resolved in under 2 weeks. ( hernia ) the bruise was just under 2 hours.

These would be anecdotal without any documentation.

My advice is to record these events and include some type of time stamp.

You're a little late to the scam party. Good luck with your patent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_therapy

Way to go! You've just spoiled this guy's Christmas.

Nah. I just made his Christmas. He doesn't have to bother with the insurance or the patent, and it looks like there's no shortage of people that will buy these things.

Sounds like a winner!

I tried one some years back to see if it would relieve joint pain in my hands. Couldn't tell it did anything except make me $50.00 poorer.

Maybe you forgot to go on the diet first...

Is that water with all the flavor removed?

No, just the calories.....

Quite right on the time-frame. But I would respectfully qualify your reference to scam. Scams occur everywhere -- even in mainstream arenas of accepted theories.

Magnetic/electrical healing has been studied (and practiced, even earlier) for a long time. There are quite a number of serious books (citing scientific studies) on the subject. One I read a long time ago is, "The Body Electric." Additionally, just looking at "what others bought," at Amazon links, leads to other promising titles, like, "Energy Medicine: The Scientific Basis." Looks interesting to me. I've had another checked out of the library, (not read yet) entitled, "Bioelectromagnetic Medicine."

And I'll echo the same sentiments... good luck!

P.S. - the reference to "earlier" electric healing also includes light therapy, which will strike a similar chord of "scam." (I remembered this book, because I bought it about 30 years ago in some used book store or garage sale -- I forget which.) And while not directly related to magnetic therapy, it, too is a hotly contested topic. One only needs look around a bit, though, to see there are both good and bad books about the subject.

Yeah, but you gotta eat several cans of unicorn meat for it to work properly...

OMG where did you get the Unicorn Meat? I have been looking everywhere for that, it heals EVERYTHING!!!

Even better than whathisnames magnets!!!

lmao

Hey, what about buying some Reindeer meat (in a can)???? LOL

Merry %$^&$#%% Christmas!!!!

an independant third party to do the tests and evaluation, on your dime.

MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEMEME.....

It could will take years, and cost millions, er thousands...

it will be so worth it...........at any price.

If you are so confident, why are you anonymous?

Please provide a link to the scientific journal in which these studies were written up, and another to the peer review critique of them. It would make interesting reading.

studies were posted on ama inside web i was previe to them from a doctor i know i was able to read them and we had a hour to discuss them after.

this unit works why am i on as anonymously

i do post on here for my work as well so i will not cross the two paths

It's all coming together.

Are these devices not selling?

HAHAHAAaaa....... just went to that link...

Love this "About us" section:

In 2007 Richard Willis was attempting to build a DC pulse motor and stumbled upon a way to create a motor with more power output then input.

The unit at first had moving parts. After a night of drinking, Richard came to the conclusion that the unit could be run in a stationary position.

This unit later would become the design that would be used to create a solid-state driven motor. After 3 years and a few hundred thousand dollars in testing, we have a final output design that works well.

As you can see in the pictures, we have coils wrapped by magnets. These units are pulsed at a fast rate between 3 to 10 k. The back rush of power is captured and rectified back to DC pulse power.

Units need to dump the power into a battery or a capacitor bank to change from dc pulse to regular DC. Nothing that is made today will accept our power due to the fact that it is DC pulse.

With no heat in the coils, there is no loss in the coils, thus no wasted power.

It's not just a website...................we have a member with the same name.

How about those prices?

Richard Willis should probably start drinking full time...................it would save him a lot of unnecessary work.

So it's all a load of old bollocks then? Surely not? Expensive old bollocks as well?

So it is bollocks, then?

A search on "healing with magnets" pretty much sums it up.

The placebo effect is still working miracles.

Yes. Placebo is real. A good book illustrating this (and advocating not trying to eliminating it from medicine) is an older book by Andrew Weil, long before he became famous in the new age health world. The title is, "Health and Healing." Very interesting read.

I have been using magnets for healing for 30 years and results are wonderful. As for testing no one will fund it since the magnet cannot be patented unless you came up with something that can be patented such as an electrical device. We know it works since ancient times they used magnetite (magnetic rock) to help heal broken bones then along came iron magnets (better) then super magnets (neodymium) now they use electrodes on either side of the broken bone and healing is again much faster. Super magnets are great for pain and healing of just about anything even polarizing the body but you should use the negative towards the body.. I was taught not to use them on the head except for a very short period of time as no one at that time really had experience in effects on the brain activity. Better safe than sorry. For brain injury such as concusion and diseases such as alzheimers and parkinson the coconut oil works for about 50% due to the keytones. These substances reconnect damaged neuron pathways for some patients. Google coconut oil& Alzheimer for a great report on the husband of a Doctor that had a most remarkable recovery using coconut oil.

It's certainly getting easier and easier to have a " feild " day with this.

Obviously it doesn't work to repair the brain.

Or much else other than repairing a bank account devoid of cash deposits.

Six munths ago I didn,t nowe wot a skam woz, now i,m doing won.

All Magnetic Therapys are bogus.

Once again, an innocent visitor asking for guidance gets insulted on CR4 and his idea scoffed at without examination just to make jokes. He offers evidence, which is dismissed as anecdotal. Sure, but it is worthy of respect, even though not confirmed with scientific rigor, and the OP is entitled to courtesy even though he may be reporting something that does not fit the ignorant prejudice of his audience.

There is some support for magnetic healing, in addition to the OP's experience. See the Bemer magnetohydrodynamic blood circulator, for example. My 95-year-old mother no longer has varicose veins and swollen black feet after half a year of Bemer treatments, and she is walking around with only a cane. Scoff and insult me if it gives you pleasure, but please give good faith visitors a break.

The mind can be a wonderful healer. I'm no more convinced that the Bemer works that I am that magnets work.

From Wiki:

"Although hemoglobin, the blood protein that carries oxygen, is weakly diamagnetic and is repulsed by magnetic fields, the magnets used in magnetic therapy are many orders of magnitude too weak to have any measurable effect on blood flow.^[4]"

So, I'm glad that your family member is deriving some benefit from "magnetohydrodynamic" therapy, but, ignorant prejudice is, apparently, something I posses. I'd like to see some tangible proof before I put my hard earned money on the line.

Merry Christmas

I agree that static magnetic fields and ordinary circulation velocity would not give significant Lorentz force, if that is the mechanism. The Bemer pulses the magnetic field and then forms a wave over the pulses to pump the blood. You will note that the Wikipedia article is limited to static magnetic fields, so the skeptical view should be limited to the static case. Magnetohydrodynamic effects may not even be what the OP is using for healing concussions, although I can't think of another physical mechanism. Merry Christmas, and best wishes for a happy and prosperous 2012.

Op offered evidence? I must have missed it.

Scientists and Engineers are prejudice by nature and by requirement. You will not, however find us to be ignorant. Anything that has not been confirmed with scientific rigor does not yet deserve respect. Those who would respect such claims might be classified as ignorant, and are likely to be separated from a lot of their money.

The OP did not offer any evidence of anything, which is why it was "dismissed as anecdotal". What do you mean by "without examination"? If I came to CR4 and declared I had a jar of pickles for sale that could climb a tree, I might not be looking for much of an examination (kinda like the OP).

I have never seen a magnetic device advertised (including the link you provided for Mother's miracle mags), that offered any peer reviewed (read: Scientific review...by actual Scientists...with real degrees in Science) evidence of anything other than a scam. The opinions offered to the OP were given, even if somewhat lightheartedly, as an aid to assist in his/her financial decisions.

On the upshot for the OP, there are obviously a lot of people who will purchase his device for their aging parents.

I believe the man is serious and just needs a few test from a reliable independent source to justify his endeaver. Now, not having a degree in the medical field, such qualifications leaves me with a very open mind. A considerable amount of cash that could get test results on a long term basis will be needed. Before Christmas if possible. These magnetic test will have to be preformed next to the ecuator to get the correct wave motion with the magnet buried in a sandy location. All results will be Emailed..We do need some immediate action in this magnetic area and have two doctors in ecuador waiting to begin.

I already have a healing ring. But when my wizard gets to level 12 I think i will swap it out for a +6 power ring.

I feel that there is nothing more distressing than an educated person that is unwilling to learn. This topic is not new nor unexplored and in fact is quite mainstream in so called modern medicine and veterinary practice.

http://www.orthopodsurgeon.com/elecstim.html

http://orthopedics.about.com/od/castsfracturetreatments/p/electrical.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080103132307.htm

These do not deal with magnetics, but use a pulsed electric field which is known to have some effect on ion transfer through various cellular pores, and, as the links show, there are a few bone healing therapies that use them. More uses may well emerge.

Now will a pulsating magnetic field have an effect? it might, but it needs to be checked out properly and not sold on the web as a mature technique until it is mature.

You are correct however pulsed or constant they both can do wonderful things. I hope the science catches up to the human body. I am against some if not most of the sales of magnetic shoes, blankets as they do not address the issue of polarity, and in fact mix the magnets polarity contrary to what I was taught. One thing I feel confident in is that using a magnet correctly appears to do no harm, only help or healing. Great to relieve pain of which the mechanics is little known.

I have often wondered what would happen if you glued a number of Nd magnets to a spinning disk in a dense array of alternate polarities. Cover with a very thin sheet of stiff plastic and you would have an appliance to apply alternating magnetic fields, the faster you spin the disk - the faster would be the field alternation. I think it may be worth playing with 5 to 50 Hz variances?

"One thing I feel confident in is that using a magnet correctly appears to do no harm, only help or healing."

The harm comes when patients reject proven, conventional treatments for "alternative medicine".

"There is further psychological harm from creating false hope. I have personally seen the crushing effects such false hope can create when reality finally sets in. This can also significantly delay the process of psychologically dealing with a serious illness, which further affects important decision making about care. Wasting time on worthless treatments can also rob the terminally ill of precious time spent with loved-ones."
- by Steven Novella, http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/whats-the-harm/

in the one study they shine on the true results they used 700 millitesla we are using 1 Tesla

Skalak's lab leads the field in the area of microcirculation research-the study of blood flow through the body's tiniest blood vessels. With a five-year, $875,000 grant from the National Institutes of Health's National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, Skalak and Cassandra Morris, former Ph.D. student in biomedical engineering, set out to investigate the effect of magnetic therapy on microcirculation. Initially, they sought to examine a major claim made by companies that sell magnets: that magnets increase blood flow.

The researchers first found evidence to support this claim through research with laboratory rats. In their initial study, magnets of 70 milliTesla (mT) field strength-about 10 times the strength of the common refrigerator variety-were placed near the rat's blood vessels. Quantitative measurements of blood vessel diameter were taken both before and after exposure to the static magnetic fields-the force created by the magnets. Morris and Skalak found that the force had a significant effect: the vessels that had been dilated constricted, and the constricted vessels dilated, implying that the magnetic field could induce vessel relaxation in tissues with constrained blood supply, ultimately increasing blood flow.

Dilation of blood vessels is often a major cause of swelling at sites of trauma to soft tissues such as muscles or ligaments. The prior results on vessel constriction led Morris and Skalak to look closer at whether magnets, by limiting blood flow in such cases, would also reduce swelling. Their most recent research, published in the November 2007 issue of the American Journal of Physiology, yielded affirmative results.

In this study, the hind paws of anesthetized rats were treated with inflammatory agents in order to simulate tissue injury. Magnetic therapy was then applied to the paws. The research results indicate that magnets can significantly reduce swelling if applied immediately after tissue trauma.

Since muscle bruising and joint sprains are the most common injuries worldwide, this discovery has significant implications. "If an injury doesn't swell, it will heal faster-and the person will experience less pain and better mobility," says Skalak. This means that magnets could be used much the way ice packs and compression are now used for everyday sprains, bumps, and bruises, but with more beneficial results. The ready availability and low cost of this treatment could produce huge gains in worker productivity and quality of life.

Skalak envisions the magnets being particularly useful to high school, college, and professional sports teams, as well as school nurses and retirement communities. He has plans to continue testing the effectiveness of magnets through clinical trials and testing in elite athletes. A key to the success of magnetic therapy for tissue swelling is careful engineering of the proper field strength at the tissue location, a challenge in which most currently available commercial magnet systems fall short. The new research should allow Skalak's biomedical engineering group to design field strengths that provide real benefit for specific injuries and parts of the body.

"We now hope to implement a series of steps, including private investment partners and eventually a major corporate partner, to realize these very widespread applications that will make a positive difference for human health," says Skalak.

I like the Science Daily link. It looks like magnets may show some promise in healing bruises, sprains, etc.

Does that mean that there aren't a lot of people out there that are ripping off others with rip off magnet scams? NO!

Now lets take a look at your presentation:

So we were playing in our lab and came up with a design of a healing ring it runs off Neo magnets and works well.

I was previe to see a study in a AMA directive and it showed that you can use magnets to repair the brain and reconnect damaged connections.

As we are playing here with magnets all day I made my own unit.

All you do is play every day, and you slapped together a magnetic healing ring that heals the brain and reconnects, (I'm guessing), spinal and nerve damage.

Do you really expect people to take these claims seriously?

Not that I think you would try to rip anyone off.

Some of the responses in this thread show, shockingly, why this stuff sells. When mainstream medicine jumps on the dupe wagon, the legitimacy rises.

On the other hand, they sell a maintenance drug for "restless leg syndrome". Maybe I should get some of that for my dog.

I'm sure that Science Daily article is being shown by scammers all over the place as absolute proof that magnets work.

Not to say that they don't have some effect on some things, but I'll bet it's being used more to scam people than it is for any legitimate medical work.

If this guy is going around telling people he's made a magnetic ring that can heal brain and spinal cord injuries, it's worse than a scam.....................it's downright cruel.

I'm keeping an open mind here. I agree there are TONS of scams out there, but does someone have a retort to the following? Research from a peer reviewed journal; it looks legitimate.

http://jap.physiology.org/content/103/2/629.full.pdf

My retort would be that, that's some fascinating stuff. I look forward to seeing further research results. That's worthy of it's own thread.

However, that does not give our playful anonymous OP a seat at the table of legitimacy.

HHO, (Brown's Gas), has been absolutely proven to be flammable too........................I'm not going to be purchasing a car that runs on water, nor any conversion kits.

Agreed on all points.

so far the only thing that we have seen we a change in the blood cell size seems if you make the unit the right way it will cause the sells to split into 4 smaller cells.

B12 shots monthly are required as the Fields we use were a little bigger then a bracelet or rings.

so far we have seen things change in a hernia , cuncussion , back problems , fat on kidney, mould in nasel passage ways, mygrains, dizziness , cronic fatique and joint pain . due to the fact this unit does not plug in we can carry on testing and then get a certification as we move along. we are entering to talks with sport medician places as well as other pain clinics that have patents they cant help. this unit thends to purge old meds out of the system as well

have a good xmas all

and thanks for the help to find the testing that was done

The question is where to go to start clinical trials? We are a lab not open to the public!

If you're already doing them, what the f#ck are you doing on here?

Get lost.

Don't even think about looking for potential investors here.

nope we are not asking for money period we are talking with sport medicine places they have more then enough players out to try it on. these other people that i knew are personal friends they had problems we went to them not them in my lab.

When and where will you be submitting your study for peer review?

A good place to start is ASME Journal of Medical Devices.

Can it cure baldness or give every man a John Holmes sized male apendage?

My advise is to be very careful. Scams are everywhere.

But to boldly state that magnetic fields do not interfere with our organism is a false statement. If you tend to look at the composition of some "parts" of our body, they contain reactive elements to magnetism.

MRI - magnetic resonance imagery is a clinical example, that probably would not have been commercialized with the "brain storming" example in this forum.

That comment:-

""But to boldly state that magnetic fields do not interfere with our organism is a false statement. If you tend to look at the composition of some "parts" of our body, they contain reactive elements to magnetism.

MRI - magnetic resonance imagery is a clinical example, that probably would not have been commercialized with the "brain storming" example in this forum.""

MRI Side effects

Is probably one of the most moronic comments I have ever seen on CR4. MRI uses some of the highest possible magnetic fields made by man, and they must be very uniform.

MRI Technology

Unless it will function as a male organ enhancement device.....its not going to sell....