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Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/11/2012 5:30 PM

I wish to build a centrifuge inside of a high temperature oven, one capable of sustained exposure to 1800 degrees F and more.

It must be capable of supporting as much as 35 pounds of material. Maximum RPM is not likely to be over 15 rpm and more likely in the range of 5 rpm. Standing waves are not permitted so it must be reasonably vibration free.

None of the mechanicals pose a problem for me. Ceramic bearings inside the oven will likely support the rotating plate from below the rim. That plate will likely be machined from 304 SS. Ceramic seals on the concentric stainless steel shaft will help contain the heat inside the oven.

However I am having difficulty trying to insulate the output shaft on the gearbox below, from the heat that is likely to be conducted down the drive shaft from inside the oven.

Are there such things as high temperature, load bearing couplings that will inhibit the transfer of heat between coaxial components?

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Re: Hi Temp coupling for thru wall drive shaft in an oven

03/11/2012 6:08 PM

So the gearbox is outside and below the oven?

Why not just run the shaft through a coolant bath with the gearbox below it?

Something large enough to dissipate the heat.

I don't think it would have to be fancy...................just circulate water through it.

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Re: Hi Temp coupling for thru wall drive shaft in an oven

03/11/2012 6:49 PM

Or you can install a heat slinger. This is a flat round piece of metal attached to the drive shaft of sufficient diameter and thickness to transfer the unwanted heat to the air as the drive shaft rotates.

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/11/2012 9:43 PM

I was thinking of a helical spring-like coupler between the two sections of the shaft. This would be similar to the spring-like handles used for skillets used on old wood-burning cook stoves and the tools used to move the metal covers on the cook stove surface. These handles stayed cool even though the stove top could be 400+ degrees F.

Like this, only much stiffer and probably just cylindrical, not bi-conical:

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/11/2012 10:11 PM

I think I may have it.

Run your metal shaft out of the gearbox. Have a flange on the upper end. Make the rest of the shaft that goes into the oven out of ceramic.

The ceramic shaft can be flanged at both ends to mate up with the metal components. Then all you need is a high temp gasket between the mating surfaces.

Now you just need to find a suitable ceramic shaft................or have one made.

This came up when I googled high temp ceramic shafts.

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/13/2012 7:01 PM

Or you could use a ceramic coupling between the furnace shaft and the gearbox shaft,

A little cunning design could ensure that the ceramic coupling is purely a compression member that never sees either tension or torque - something like a dog clutch with ceramic spacers between the dogs.

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/12/2012 12:06 AM

A magnetic coupling should not transfer heat, a little fan blowing on the gap would help.

There are mechanical couplings that have a piece of spring steel weaving between the teeth of the flanges. They come with a cover to keep grease in, but at your speed that would not be necessary.

There are couplings that use a piece of three-tab rubber to transfer the load. Make one out of insulator material instead. Bakelite is my first thought.

As a matter of fact, look for bakelite couplings! Strong and insulating.

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/12/2012 12:13 AM

A chain drive with coolant can be used.

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/12/2012 10:37 PM

If this is for centrifugal casting of mirror blanks, with stress relief on cooldown, then the spring will not work - too wobbly, you will need some sort of flywheel mass

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/12/2012 10:45 PM

First, reduce the cross section area of the shaft by drilling it out. This will reduce the amount of energy transmitted to the driven sprocket or gear. Use a chain drive to further isolate the transmission from the heat. Again, minimize the heat transmission path of the driven sprocket by reducing the thickness of the web and put a few large openings to further decrease the area that the heat can travel thru. You can probably use MolyDiSulfide lube to keep the chain from binding/squeaking during operation.

If you are using gears to couple the transmission to the shaft, you can reduce the web and area by the same method. The idea is to make the path for the heat to be as narrow as possible without causing a mechanical failure.

Keep in mind that some materials such as stainless steel are poor conductors of heat, some ceramics are good conductors (counterintuitive). Also, as others have mentioned, some type of cooling would be desirable, maybe an air jet or vortex chiller would be good in this case.

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/12/2012 10:51 PM

Large diameter aluminum plate on the coupler.

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/12/2012 11:34 PM

I have had the occasion to use steam as a coolant for a 600 degree F hot oil pump seal. If you have low pressure steam available in the area, you might be able to use it as a "once through" fluid through a stuffing box or shaft seal enclosure to cool off the drive shaft below the oven.

It sounds weird, but compared to the 1800F furnace, steam at 250F is relatively cool! And because the steam is relatively clean, it helped me extend pump repair requirements from 3 months to a 12 month interval.

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/13/2012 7:23 AM

Graphite is used to stir molen metal and is ideal for high tempature applications. The shafts are graphite also. I don't know what the bearings are made of.

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/13/2012 11:12 AM

Lovejoy manufactures a "spider" type of shaft coupler. One of the compounds available to join the two halfs is made from Hytrel. This product will stand up to 250 degrees. The heat flinger disc should help. You could always mist the spinning disc with water to disapate additional heat. Good luck.

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/13/2012 5:57 PM

How about a ceramic coupling? Google "ceramic couplings" and choose the surplussales.com website. They have quite a selection!

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Re: Hi Temp Coupling for Thru Wall Drive Shaft in an Oven

03/13/2012 7:16 PM

The loads are very modest. So are the speeds. I'll simply run the shafts at 90 degrees into a sheet metal water bath and use 45 degree bevel gears inside. A simple float will keep the level proper.

Thanks to all who supported this inquiry.

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