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Interesting Visual Trick

04/11/2012 7:52 AM

I got this in an email. Stare at the red dot for about 30 seconds and glance away at a blank area, (like a wall or ceiling), and blink your eyes. Pretty neat. Explanations?

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04/11/2012 8:12 AM

I tried it and what I see when I close my eyes I should not describe. What's the catch? S.M.

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04/11/2012 8:20 AM

Huh? I didn't try closing my eyes...............just rapid blinking. Somehow I think your imagination is kicking in.

Maybe we should change your name to DirtyMind.

{Edit} Nope..................I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Wish I could.

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04/14/2012 4:53 PM

That's amazing!

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04/14/2012 5:14 PM

Now that's a negative image.

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04/14/2012 5:37 PM

And for Bog's sake don't look at the dot in the middle!

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04/11/2012 8:32 AM

Son, you get some strange e-mail. But it is pretty cool!!

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04/11/2012 8:37 AM

I wouldn't have guessed that the human brain was capable of processing a negative.

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04/11/2012 7:53 PM

OK, we got a problem here. My wife tried it and didn't see anything except a white wall. What now?

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04/11/2012 8:57 PM

It's OK. She 's 100% straight. (LOL) S.M.

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04/11/2012 9:09 AM

Which dot is the red one? Or does it not matter?
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04/11/2012 9:29 AM

The red one is at the top. I don't know if it's going to work for you................although I'd be interested to know what the after image looks like to a colorblind person.

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04/11/2012 9:44 AM

I saw a pigmented image, but if I saw a person coloured in the way I saw, I would probably turn and run.

I can see most colours, they're just "wrong" or not what other people see.

For example, most yellows are green to me, most blues are either purple or black. Red and green... who knows which of the two it actually is

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04/16/2012 4:06 PM

Doesn't really matter, is just to keep your eye focused on one spot and get a steady shot imprinted in your cylinders and cones.

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04/11/2012 9:09 AM

I first detected the color image as I was turning to a blank wall and blinked.

Pretty Cool!

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04/11/2012 9:14 AM

The phenomenon is called afterimage.

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04/11/2012 9:27 AM

I've experienced that before. What was surprising is that the skin tone was filled in accurately.

Is it because of the dots?

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04/11/2012 9:28 AM

I have seen a few of these before and they are pretty neat. The ones I've seen are always this version of the image projecting the color onto the wall, though. I wonder if it works in reverse?

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04/11/2012 11:40 AM

Very surprising. I saw just the face, but the color was correct!

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04/11/2012 1:03 PM

Woof - I just kept my eyes closed instead of blinking, and......

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04/11/2012 1:08 PM

Cool!!!

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04/11/2012 4:18 PM

Converts to full colour image for me, neat.

One of the more impressive visual illusions that show just how amazing our brains eyes and brains are.

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04/11/2012 5:21 PM

I wonder what causes the color...................it looks like a gray scale image.

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04/11/2012 5:24 PM

Your memory. I have argued about this concept in an older thread. (About fancy flat screens or something like that) S.M.

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04/11/2012 5:46 PM

My memory???

Was the older thread just an argument or is is there something to substantiate that claim?

If that's the case, it's really intriguing.

I can't help but wonder what it is you are remembering, since you don't want to share it on here.

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04/11/2012 6:25 PM

How about another logic explanation for the perception on this "trick". Where was this "color information" hidden in a monochrome pic? This is good old proof by contradiction and NO other proof is required.(LOL) D.M. ...err... S.M.

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04/11/2012 9:16 PM

now you know where all those ghost reports come from

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04/12/2012 12:20 AM

Hi to all,

Actually the picture is not gray-scale at all ... here is the picture with the colors inverted ...

From what I understand (and I am far from an authority), the 'ghosting' happens because of 'color fatigue'. Normally, our eyes don't absorb just a single color, but are always 'scanning', but when (as in this case), we focus on a single point for a while, whatever is pictured will create that same color fatigue, but in this case of a more complex image. The net result is, this color fatigue causes us to see a 'ghost' of the inverse of the color, mostly evident when we stare then at a 'blank' space.

Of course, if you want to test your 'it works because she's a babe' theory, I make one with someone, shall we say, less than compelling . It still works.

I played some with landscapes, etc, but the effect is most evident when the original image is on a white background.

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04/12/2012 6:37 AM

GA I just noticed that it doesn't work when the room is dark. I'm in a dark room in front of the computer, and I'm guessing that the brightness of the entire screen compared to the room is throwing it off.

Thanks for inverting the image. It was getting frustrating, only being able to see her for a couple of seconds.

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04/12/2012 12:22 AM

The brain registers and processes the 'shades' of the 'negative'..

"staring at the red dot" converts the image into a colour image.... as this being 'a more realistic image' compared to every day experience. Similar as seeing an image at dusk in very low light: the brain still 'sees' the real colours...(NOT applicable when you are colour blind or have certain mineral deficiencies)

(the same happens if you stare at the green dot)....

The synapses in the brain cells 'are used to' seeing full colour - so they are 'adapting to earlier learning' in regard to life images...

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04/12/2012 3:15 AM

Many years ago I noticed a similar effect if you use a flash of light in a dark room. Prepare a room to be completely dark (any residual light will cancel the effect) and a flash camera - turn off the LCD image and set it to "one flash" use (turn off the "red eye reduction" because it uses two flashes). Turn off the lights, wait at least 30 seconds to allow your eyes to accommodate to the darkness and then use the flash (take a picture). In the first moments you will be "blinded" by the flash but after a few seconds… wow!! One more detail, from the moment you use the flash do not move your eyes or the "after image" will be instantly destroyed.

I find this effect to be cooler because it is a 3D image and (due to the darkness) it lasts longer.

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04/12/2012 4:25 AM

one more for reproducibility

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or this one?

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04/12/2012 9:52 AM

I have to blame it on the Busch..I blink and see black and open my eyes and see wall..Guess I'll never know. I'll go back

to treehugger calender pic.'s got 10 out of 12 to go..

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04/12/2012 1:56 PM

... inverse colors sometimes described as "complimentary."

I don't happen to have any violet or yellow objects in front of me right now, but I recall noticing that they are complementary. If my memory is correct (and there is serious doubt about that as I get older) I remember staring at violet one time and seeing yellow as an after-image when looking away. So decided to try the after-image color and I think yellow now became violet. Others might try it to see if I'm recalling this correctly.

O.K. I just located a yellow, TI TTL book across the room to stare at. It has a blue square as part of the spine. After staring at it for some time and then looking at the neutral off-white wall, the yellow portion did become violet and the blue square was yellow. Blue is close enough in wavelength that it looks yellow, I guess. But since the yellow definitely became violet it leads to the question: If the blue became yellow, why didn't the yellow become blue instead of violet, which it seems to. Brain processing may be in wavelength ranges...? But then how is the eye capable of distinguishing so many colors?

It is an interesting phenomena. Quantum biology, perhaps?

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04/12/2012 2:38 PM

I wonder if we automatically inverse to the opposite on the wheel?

With white inverting to black of course and vice versa.

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04/12/2012 6:07 PM

Possibly.

I just found a "Report" that has some good info. Don't know if it's available to everyone. I can't always tell if I have access because of the university or if it's generically available.

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04/12/2012 6:32 PM

Yeah, it comes right up for me.

{Edit} Man, that's deep. Now I just need someone to break it down into layman's terms for me.

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04/12/2012 6:48 PM

Me too. Why so coy ? As if I'm going to read something that long . Link is fine, but maybe a brief digest might get me a nanosecond beyond click'n'close. Aw, c'mon, anon, that's not fair !

I'm going to bed.... Exactly who is nobody's buisiness.

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04/13/2012 12:11 PM

Ever since I think I was abducted by UFOs I've just not been the same... same as who? same as what?? My doctor said I was suffering from sameness, which I thought was lameness, until I tried going nameless.

Sorry about not giving any "pre" to the link. Most links don't require it, but in this case, as kramarat observed, it isn't your typical "report." Quite detailed and Sesquipedalian. (Computers and the Net are great for discovering and learning new words!)

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The mind Boggles.....

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04/13/2012 1:41 PM

Like so many papers, you'd have to read all the cited papers, as references, which would each have their own references, and so on and so on. (Is all this a ruse to keep the masses from knowing what data is at the root.) The end of the summary seems to contain an unexpected (meaning less big words) conclusion: "Our results indicate that afterimage signals are generated in the retina but may be modified like other retinal signals by cortical processes, so that evidence presented for cortical generation of color afterimages is explainable by spatiotemporal factors that modify all signals."

Of course, the rest of the report goes on to flesh out how they arrived at this conclusion.

It's a trend in scientific investigations, and why specialization has become the norm. Looking into details of "why" this or that happens becomes fraught with so many details and unanswered questions, that it is a bit like spelunking.

As I read this the first concept that I want explained is "adaptation," which has citations 4-9. The very first one, #4, is 6 pages -- 1 page longer than the Report and 78 citations... or 47 more than the Report. I didn't even look at 5-9. But I'd wager they are similar. Not necessarily a geometric expansion, but a definite expansion. So, next, I go for the simpler explanation.

The next general concept is "neural responses," which seems, like one can assume is brain/nerve response. Maybe we can kind of gloss over that one. But not to assume, the citation for it is #10, which is a whole textbook! It does happen to be in the university library, but the publication date is 1970. Now we're "seeing" just how far back the support for this Report goes! Admittedly, there is probably a pertinent chapter or section, but it isn't given in the citation, as is usually done.

In surfing for a more general explanation of "neural response," I came across another paper (), entitled, What is "odd" in Posner's location-cueing paradigm? Neural responses to unexpected location and feature changes compared. Only the Abstract is available to me, so it likely isn't available without subscription. But at this point we should be relieved. We don't have to actually see a lot more details that we probably won't easily understand.

This gives me pause to link to "papers" in the future. I have done it in the past because this being an engineering forum I have assumed readers want more than a pop-science reference, whether they want to wade through it or not. (Although, one never knows when there is even just one person who looks at the link(s) and becomes interested enough to spelunk -- or who is already a spelunker.)

A caveat, as you suggest, Kris, is in order, for sure. But all "scientific" papers have more citations than anyone is likely to look at. Someone in the field of interest may be able to look at citations and quickly see the context because they've been in the "loop" long enough to not feel overwhelmed. The gist or essence can, in most cases, still be grasped without becoming an expert on the level of the author of said paper.

Since citations are the rungs below the one your on, most people really don't want to go back to the bottom and re-climb. Not being an expert in the field this, usually, becomes a practical requirement, though, to easily follow the discussion. That can be almost impossible and certainly painstaking.

The upshot is, like Kris, most people (probably including me ) would "click'n'close," and go to bed, and then wake up the next day just enjoying the phenomena of "after-imaging," not caring about the how or why. (I now feel certain there are papers dealing with Stereograms, but I'm afraid to look. Just look at what you've done, kram.)

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<flop> I really am most impressed, anony1 !

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At my ability to dismiss my own links? (O.K., not dismiss, but diminish the usefulness, due to their complexity(?).) Which means I should have gone through the process beforehand?? Maybe not so impressive, eh?

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Trust me on this, hiding the occasional gem is delicious (if slightly smug) fun .

Data mining is fun in itself, though everyone has their own notion of complexity versus usefulness. Example;

JC (not that one) is visiting an elderly aunt, and the gal is getting to have more than a few 'senior moments'. "So how are your lovely twins", the old lady asks. Deciding it's best to keep her happy, JC launches into a nicely detailed report of the happy twins. Old gal listens with a sweet smile, then says, "What on earth are you talking about, you know perfectly well that you haven't got any twins !".

Old lady has found information, made a point, and had some FUN .

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04/13/2012 4:58 PM

Yeah, it looks like I stepped in it again. Good work. I don't know why you marked yourself OT.

That's what I like about you guys that get to play on here at work. We can get right down to the nitty gritty.

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OT because I was now dealing more with methodology vs. the subject matter at hand. I forgot, though, that you kind of like meandering threads...

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Yeah. I usually get back on threads that I think are dead and talk to myself.

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It's the best way to get a satisfactory answer.

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04/12/2012 11:05 PM

Heres another interesting one? same routine 30 sec then a blank wall.

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04/14/2012 11:23 AM

You're staring at a negative image - when you look away your mind corrects the image to a positive image. Just your mind doing what it was made to do - the best computer ever designed!

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04/14/2012 8:20 PM

I didn't see anything, just the wall.

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