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Avoiding Counterfeit Bearings

04/26/2012 12:40 AM

The real way to avoid counterfeit bearings is not what you are being told:

http://skffaginabs.blogspot.com/2012/04/worlds-most-counterfeited-bearing.html

Beware of even "authorized" sources:

http://stopfakestories.blogspot.com/2012/04/skf-authorized-distributors-sell.html

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Re: Avoiding counterfeit bearings

04/26/2012 1:45 AM

Okaaaayyyy...and just what other bearing brand do you represent?

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04/26/2012 2:52 AM

I am not suggesting any particular brand, but there is no other brand as heavily counterfeited as SKF. I think that brands such as Koyo, NTN, URB, Nachi, ORS, KBC and several other brands represent quality brands which are much less likely to be counterfeited than SKF. If you were a counterfeiter, would you rather counterfeit SKF or KBC? KBC bearings are made in the same Korean factory as FAG. There is no difference in the quality. I have testing done by Timken Bearing Inspection that attests to this. This testing was done for a purchasing agent that wanted to force his maintenance crew to justify paying three times a much for an SKF as for a KBC. The tests showed no difference in likely performance between SKF, NTN, or KBC. I don't care what brand you chose, but I think choosing the most heavily counterfeited bearing on the market is simply increasing your chances of receiving a counterfeit.

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Re: Avoiding counterfeit bearings

04/26/2012 3:29 PM

If people are concerned they can just go through an authorised supplier that deals direct with the manufacturer (rather than, say a trading house), and/or implement a product quality control checking system on purchased products.

The same goes for other parts, semiconductors, fuses, etc.

Just about anything can be counterfeited now days for a profit, so common sense and quality control are vital. Even military and government purchasing departments are not immune.

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04/26/2012 10:16 PM

The point I was trying to make is that even buying from authorized sources does not protect you from getting counterfeit. SKF admits that their own authorized distributors have sold counterfeit SKF bearing to customers. Applied Industrial Technologies, Motion Industries, Kaman Industrial Technologies Bearing Distributors Inc. are all SKF authorized distributors whom SKF has claimed in court records have purchased and sold counterfeit bearings.

You can read about it for yourself, if you are interested, right here:

http://stopfakestories.blogspot.com/2012/04/skf-authorized-distributors-sell.html

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Re: Avoiding counterfeit bearings

04/26/2012 11:18 PM

Hi Steve, point noted, however is this your only blog as you really just seem to be going after SKF (and Schaeffler) pretty hard?

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04/27/2012 1:23 AM

SKF has been publishing stories about supposed counterfeiting of SKF bearings for years and I used to believe them. It is only recently that you've seen others entering into the picture. My suspicions were raised when I saw the flyer put out by Schaeffler Group who has FAG and INA brands. I am thoroughly convinced the story is a fake.

If you are interested you may read about a Complaint filed by SKF USA with the US International Trade Commission against fourteen respondents, one of which was my company. They lost at the USITC, they lost the appeal, and the Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

If you would read the details of the case, you will understand why I look at SKF USA as run by dishonest execs:

http://skffaginabs.blogspot.com/2009/03/concerning-conduct-of-skf-usa-in-matter.html

I have been following these stories ever since. This counterfeit marketing campaign has now become a major push of the WBA (World Bearing Association) which is a combination of Japanese and European manufacturing groups and the ABMA (American Bearing Manufacturers Association). You can expect to see a major uptick in these stories. Just don't believe everything you read.

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04/27/2012 5:18 AM

How about links to some independent evidence (i.e., something that's NOT hosted on your blogs/websites)?

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04/27/2012 11:24 AM

First, I would point out that the evidence I have presented in my articles is from Court records. In the USA court records are available to the public. This not so in Germany. That is the reason I could never authenticate the story I refer to as the Schweinfurt Hoax. The records of German criminal trials are not public information.

I will give you a link to an article Power Transmission Engineering Magazine about counterfeit bearings that is based on a interview with SKF. The archive article has been altered. The original article (and I have a copy) said:

"How big is the problem? The Glen Ellyn, IL-based Bearing Specialists Association estimates that counterfeit bearing transactions are a "$600 billion a year problem which costs U.S. businesses $200-$250 billion annually, and is directly responsible for the loss of more than 750,000 American jobs."

You will notice that the word "bearing" has been removed from the archived version, so now it simply says "counterfeit transactions".

There are many other misleading things about the article, but at least the magazine issued a retraction in little box on page 40 of a future issue.

http://www.powertransmission.com/issues/0410/bogusbearings.pdf

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05/01/2012 1:03 AM

Here is the whole story, if you are interested in the truth:
http://stopfakestories.blogspot.com/2012/04/bogus-story-about-bogus-bearings.html

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04/26/2012 9:06 PM

Being "most heavily counterfeited" suggests among other things that the specific brand went through a phase that had so good quality products comparing to competition, (or reversing, the competition was so crappy in comparison) that sales was not compromised by the premium price. Both the price margin and the company good name, made it a good counterfeit candidate. Now the argument to buy from unknown brands to avoid counterfeit is a little off my logic, sorry. S.M.

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04/26/2012 10:42 PM

My suggestion was not to buy "unknown brands", in the sense of brands the quality of which you are unfamiliar. My suggestion is that there are many quality brands that are unlikely candidates for counterfeiters. I will give you some examples KBC and FAG are both made in the same factory in Korea. The bearing you get that says KBC and the bearing you get that says FAG are identical in quality. The difference is the box and brand etched on the ring (also the price). Which is more likely to be counterfeited? Obviously the FAG. Another example of a quality bearing with a less-well-known name is ORS. They are manufactured using Koyo machinery, I have been to many bearing factories and I know what it takes to manufacture a good bearing.

My point is that the buyer who does his research and takes the time necessary locate a quality brand with a less-well-known name can save money and protect himself from counterfeits which represent a real danger.

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Re: Avoiding Counterfeit Bearings

04/27/2012 10:53 PM

In what ways does your logic differ from Aristotelian logic?

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