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Turbine Hotwell Temp

05/18/2012 6:50 AM

Dear All

In our turbine condensor hotwell temp (85 Deg C) is higher than exhaust temp (55 Deg C) why this occur?

cooling water inlet temp 27 Deg C

cooling water outlet temp 35 Deg C

steam in condensor 12 TPH

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Re: Turbine Hotwell Temp

05/18/2012 7:24 AM

Without seeing the plant, it's difficult to say. Any chance of posting the P&ID?

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Re: Turbine Hotwell Temp

05/19/2012 12:22 AM

Dear Mr. Lalit Shukla,

What is the Vaccuum obtained in the Condenser. It appears the vaccuum will be around 0.8 Kg/CM^2, as against 0.9 and more. Kg/M^2. Pl. post the P and I Diagram.

The other possible reasons for higher temp. of hot well will be due to

1. Less Circulation of Cooling Water to the Condenser.-,

2. Heavy scaling in the Condenser Tubes, which will reduce the OVER-ALL HEAT TRANSFER Co.Efficient.

3. Leakage of Atmospheric Air - is another source of Low Vacc. problem

thanks,

DHAYANANDHAN.S

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Re: Turbine Hotwell Temp

05/20/2012 7:35 AM

Sir

1.Vacuum of condenser varies from 0.68 kg/cm2 to 0.88 kg/cm2depending on steam flow in condenser

2. scaling in condenser also its about 1mm scaling on condenser tube

3. No leakage in air line

sir want to know if one of these is the reason then how it effect the temp?

we use cooling tower water to cool the exhaust steam then how the Hot well temp is more then exhaust ?

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Re: Turbine Hotwell Temp

05/20/2012 1:17 PM

Dear Mr. Lalit shukla,

1.Vaccuum of 0.68 Kg/cm^2 to 0.8 Kg/cm^2 is too low and it should be min. of 0.92 Kg/cm^2. The vaccuum creating capacity may be less than the designed value. Higher the vaccuum, higher the output of power per Kg. of steam, this is the BASICS of THERMODYNAMICS. Refer Mollier Chart

2. The Scale thickness of 1 MM is considerable, will retard the Heat Transfer since the scale plays very vital role and single large element to retard the Heat Transfer. The metal and thickness will have less impact than the scale.

Refer the charts for guidance about the Temperature Gradient.

Chart No. 1 is ideal

CHART No. 2 in Practically occuring

A SIMILAR CHART if made means we can identify the problem.

3. Are you using treated/soft water for cooling tower make up.? What is the Blow-down maintained in the cooling tower, i.e. COC. Your water chemist should have decided this aspect. If this is NOT controlled, Scaling in the condenser cannot be avoided. Pl. check this also.

4. If you can post the full operating data, we may zero down to the issue.

Thanks,

DHAYANANDHAN.S

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Re: Turbine Hotwell Temp

05/22/2012 1:55 PM

Bad sensor?

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Re: Turbine Hotwell Temp

05/24/2012 3:00 AM

Sir

senor not bad cross checked with temp guage & thermameter

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