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Shorted Turns Tester

05/30/2012 6:51 PM

Hi Guys,

Some years ago, I built a shorted turns tester, I used it in the repair of electric motors, but I cant remember where I got the circuit from..! I remember its indication output, was via a 100ma meter. Anyway, does any one have any idea where such a circuit can be sourced..? I am well aware of the project, published by "Silicon Chip" but it was designed with the testing of Line Output Transformers, of TVs and Monitors in mind and not really suited in the testing of electric motor windings

Thanks guys.

Norm.

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05/31/2012 11:00 PM

Are you familiar with the term"Growler Tester"?

It is a coil that uses the ac line for power, and you move it around the inside of the stator, it will growl by vibrating a thin strip of metal in close proximity to the coil when a defect is passed within the coil.

A hacksaw blade can also be manually used to test for an open circuit by applying a reduced voltage to the stator and moving the blade around the inside of the stator.An open or shorted turn will be obvious by the reaction of the blade.

I have used a single ball bearing to test stators thusly:

Apply a reduced voltage (50%) to the stator, and place a 9 or 10 mm steel ball in the bottom of the stator.Give it a nudge, and it will roll around the entire perimeter of the stator, if it is good, and continue to circulate until you stop it or remove power. It will stop at a short or at the beginning of an open section, and will drop out if an open section is passed.

A "ring" tester can also be used,that displays a wave form that is easily interpreted.

A high-pot(megger) test can be used to test insulation breakdown if the motor has been wet.

Hope this helps.

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05/31/2012 11:40 PM

It is called Growler.

Very simple design.

Core in V-Block shape.

Windings according to Supply line.

Place the armature in V-block and a fine iron strip, I used a hand-saw blade.

touching near edges of section to section.

the shorted one will not vibrate the blade.

Though the picture is not clear but you had been using it.

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06/01/2012 9:54 AM

The version you show is for armatures.There is a smaller hand-held stator testing unit that incorporates the flexible metallic strip on the tool.It is moved around the inside of a stator and achieves the same degree of testing.Sorry I don't have any images available at this time.I think I still have one laying around the shop somewhere.I'll try to locate it and send a picture.Over the years, I have found that the ball bearing trick works just as well and is quicker and simpler to use if you have the motor already disassembled.

For testing a fully assembled motor, the "Ring Tester" ( a device that sends a pulse into the field coils, or stator, and measures the decay time, or "ringing" of the circuit) is quicker for determining triage of multiple motors, or for intermittent problems.

This can be done with an "O SCOPE" and a pulse generator as well, but we have to use the tools available, and sometimes improvise on the fly,such as the ball bearing method.

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