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Selenium Rectifiers

07/02/2012 12:17 AM

My $169.00 battery charger- starter smoked. The diode plates have failed and shorten the transformer. Where to find these rectifiers? Probably Selenium or copper-oxyde type. ca. 100 amps. Inside is only a step down transformer, the diodes, the voltage selector, voltindicator, a sort of amp. meter, a timer and a fan. The charger died now - I cannot find replacement parts. Each diode is a 20 Volts plate- 2 in total. It is a typical charger that you can buy at Sears, Pep Boys e.g. (Box on wheels)

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Re: Selenium rectifiers

07/02/2012 2:03 AM

Selenium rectifiers are now dinosaurs. Finding replacements will be difficult & expensive. Better alternative is to replace them with suitable silicone solid-state rectifiers with necessary circuit modifications.

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Re: Selenium rectifiers

07/02/2012 2:32 AM

Check out this site. They make and have repair parts for most "box on wheels". The diodes are most likely silicone unless your box is 50 years or older.

It would have been nice to have a name, model number or some other info age etc...

if you do not have any of this just match pictures, charges rates and any other descriptions to your charger.

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Re: Selenium rectifiers

07/02/2012 10:23 AM

Hi MetalSmiths,

Great link,

I bought the charger 11 years ago.

The item has been discontinued.

Will check for a replacement.G.A. thanks

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Re: Selenium Rectifiers

07/02/2012 10:16 AM

Do NOT try to substitute silicon rectifiers for the plate rectifiers! The voltage drop on the plate rectifiers is much higher, meaning the transformer's output voltage is also higher. If you were to try to use silicon rectifiers with a transformer designed for selenium or copper rectifiers, the voltage would be too high for a 12 volt battery.

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Re: Selenium Rectifiers

07/02/2012 10:33 AM

Hi Lo Volt,

You are perfectly right about that.

The reason they stick to these metal plates (selenium and copper) rectifiers is because they can make that charger without sophisticated regulation circuits.

The I/U - voltage drop versus current is very suitable for "rough" battery charging.

When the current drops down, voltage over the cell increases and the battery has more chance to survive the "charge".

This battery charger- see the timer- and charge settings - is not made for contineous

use. They need guidance and some help, because they lack every kind of "intelligence". They might not destroy the battery the first time, but yes-- after a while they are killers. GA

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Re: Selenium Rectifiers

10/11/2017 7:50 AM

Check this out: Rectifier

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Re: Selenium Rectifiers

07/02/2012 11:14 PM

I was warned off selenium rectifiers as an apprentice 40 years back. The fumes when they fail I was told are toxic. True or not I've never really checked on, but I've given them as a wide berth as I could.

Given the age of some of the plants I worked on wasn't always possible. If one burnt out it would be quite a while before I'd go near it, the brown smoke didn't make you feel at ease.

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07/02/2012 11:31 PM

"I was warned off selenium rectifiers as an apprentice 40 years back. The fumes when they fail I was told are toxic."
Absolutely. The fumes, indeed are very toxic.

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Re: Selenium Rectifiers

07/14/2012 10:53 AM

I have met some of these rectifiers. I had 2 rectifier stacks once with a parallel configuration of 5 diodes each, good for 200 Amps.

These tiny selenium diodes fall out of the frame, once you take it apart.

Check with ohm meter and throw the bad ones out.

Out of 10, I had 8 good ones left. Arranged these in the frame and have now a 160 Amps battery charger. Do not keep the bad ones in place, but replace if necessary with some isolating material.

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