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Did They Lie (Not Quite Tell the Truth) to Me?

08/24/2012 5:47 PM

New computer, Win 7, Off 10, Core 5, 4 gigs etc. I download a movement report from our GPS service. They say it is not version specific, it is for any version of Excel. When I push the "Generate Report" button, I get this message "Do you want to open or save 'activity_report.xls'? Then I get several messages about the version, compatibility, etc. My question to them was can I get the report in Excel 10. There answer was as above. Everything works, its just the hassel of having to keep closing warning messages to save, modefy, print and re-save the report. When I re-open the report and re-save it, it says it is not in the same format as the file extension. I cancel that warning and it goes to the Excel location I got it from, but says it is a web page and I have to open file type and hit Excel 2003-7 to see it and save. On the initial save, the only file type available is Excel 2003-7. Thanks -- JHF

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Re: Did they lie (not quite tell the truth) to me?

08/24/2012 6:33 PM

You just have to convert the file gotten from your GPS service to the current version of Excel, this is as simple as loading it and 'save as'

You may want to take a course on the version of Excel you're using as a skilled user of it will be able to teach you plenty in just a few minutes. So to me it sounds like it's more your lack of familiarity with the current version of Excel that you're using and how to import data sets from other versions. The data's all there but the formating still needs to be tweaked.

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08/24/2012 7:06 PM

I agree that MS have really bollixed it up with the ".xlsx" (and for that matter the ".docx") stuff.

I have a document directory system based on Excel and hyperlinks - with literally hundreds of .xls and .doc files. Now if I open a file to make a simple mod, and don't remember to save it back in the old format, the hyperlinks won't find the modified versions. Effing annoying .

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08/24/2012 7:48 PM

You can state your dislike by simply using an open document format, and not any of Microsoft's proprietary additions and conversions.

All in all the data is always still there, they're just trying to get you to look at it THEIR way.

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08/25/2012 6:34 AM

Would that me (self-employed) could persuade my multi-million-£ customers to see it that way. They get very fussy about file formats - if I started using open formats I'd have to convert to/from MS formats whenever sending or receiving files - an even bigger nightmare .

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08/26/2012 1:45 AM

I have set all programs I use to automatically save in MS 2003-2007 format. This seems the most stable and universally accepted way of making sure the vest majority of users can open & edit the files, regardless of their chosen vendor (Mac, Open Office, etc)

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08/26/2012 5:50 AM

I've been thinking that's probably the best scheme. Only potential problem I can see is if a customer sends a file in 2010 format that I may need to modify and return. I'll have to experiment a bit (if I ever get the time!) to see if anything gets lost in translation.

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08/26/2012 2:31 AM

I agree with the idea of using Open Source formats. I have no problem opening Excel formats in Libre Office (of course, I haven't had the opportunity to play with MS's latest adn greatest), and I can export to Excel format with no issues. All this focus on being able to access your documents from anywhere on any device is really screwing up formating...

Option- save as *.csv. You can open a *.csv file with ANY application.

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08/26/2012 7:37 AM

"A half-truth is a whole lie." -- Mum (filched from Mark Twain, I think).

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08/26/2012 11:40 AM

You all are right but the OP is right too. My advice to OP is the same as it is to all my clients, Get LIbre Office and forget MS.

Excel is still the best speadsheet, but for all the changes they put into it and the restrictive nature of it's format. Libre Office will just open the damn file and not bother you with the details.

Many of my clients are lawyers and CPAs and they have to deal with file formats of many types and versions. Once they switch, they don't go back!

Another option is to import it into Google Drive(formerly Google Docs). Once there it will be available to you on the move as well as locally to your machine.

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08/26/2012 12:54 PM

In my Opinion, Excel peeked at Version 2000. Seems like very version since then has become harder and harder to use, with important features getting buryed deeper and deeper into hidden menus...

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08/26/2012 1:02 PM

Yeah. Libre/OpenOffice has been a steady performer and improving over time. MS just keeps changing the interface and file formats hoping nobody will notice there is really no difference.

Excel still has features that the open source stuff doesn't have, but that is changing rapidly.

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08/26/2012 2:59 PM

One thing I noted when I first switched from OpenOffice to LibreOffice was that rendering charts was much, much faster- one of the reasons I still keep Excel 2000 running in Wine. This may have had something to do with the fact that I was running an older version of OpenOffice, so this may not be a fair comparison.

This is one reason I was turned off to Excel at version 2003- rendering charts was painfully slow. I have had limited exposure to more recent versions of Excel, but what I have seen, eye candy over rides functionality.

Now, if someone would write a nice FFT for LibreOffice, I would likely abandon Excel all together...

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