Previous in Forum: Ceiling Fan Speed   Next in Forum: Coiling of Cables in Modularized Project.
Close
Close
Close
17 comments
Rate Comments: Nested
Participant

Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2

Is it possible to Use Super Capacitors to Increase a Li-Ion Battery's Run Time?

08/28/2012 11:32 PM

I have a laptop with a 10.8V 6000mAh battery that only lasts about 2 hours. I was wondering if using super capacitors along with my battery would let it last longer. Also if it would, how would I go about setting it up?

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
2
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - Analog and Digital Circuit Design Engineering Fields - Electromechanical Engineering - Transformers, Motors & Drives, EM Launchers Engineering Fields - Engineering Physics - Applied Electrical, Optical, and Mechanical

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: NY
Posts: 1207
Good Answers: 119
#1

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/28/2012 11:43 PM

Since you are EIT, it should be easy for you to review the energy density calculations for Li-Ion batteries verses the best supercaps you can find. Compare costs also.

I think you will prove to yourself that there is no practical way to use supercaps to prolong your laptop battery life.

Someone provided the best answer on another thread... buy a second battery!

Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
2
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/28/2012 11:45 PM

Or, just plug it in.

Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 2)
Anonymous Poster #1
#17
In reply to #2

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

09/06/2012 2:22 AM

it's Lyn!!!!!! GA!!!!!!! Yeah!!!!!!! What words to Live BY!!!!!!! Yeah!!!!!!

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
United States - Member - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: California, USA, where the Godless live next door to God.
Posts: 4665
Good Answers: 804
#3

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 12:52 AM

2 threads on super capacitors for Notebook PCs in one day?

Methinks a super capacitor mfr has their minions in full chat room flood mode... I wouldn't be surprised to see a bunch of scam artist ads claiming to sell "Super Capacitor Instant Notebook Chargers" any day now.

__________________
** All I every really wanted to be, was... A LUMBERJACK!.**
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: srilanka
Posts: 2725
Good Answers: 5
#4

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 1:07 AM

supplement the battery by a solar charger which gets energy from indoor lighting.

__________________
pnaban
Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing, in the nation formerly known as Great Britain. Kettle's on.
Posts: 32175
Good Answers: 839
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 3:14 AM

That's quite amusing. Wouldn't it be easier and more effective to plug the charger into a wall socket?

__________________
"Did you get my e-mail?" - "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place" - George Bernard Shaw, 1856
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: srilanka
Posts: 2725
Good Answers: 5
#7
In reply to #5

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 9:08 AM

my method utilizes the spill light(waste) without consuming energy.

__________________
pnaban
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Van Nuys, CA
Posts: 563
Good Answers: 33
#8
In reply to #7

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 2:18 PM

"my method utilizes the spill light(waste) without consuming energy."

The cost/benefit ratio doesn't make sense, but I suppose some people would be interested in it primarily for energy conservation (reduced drain on local power grid), however small that may be.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - DIY Welding - Don't Know What Made The Old Title Attractive... Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - 60 Year Member

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Yellowstone Valley, in Big Sky Country
Posts: 7425
Good Answers: 295
#9
In reply to #7

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 3:09 PM

Your method removes from use about 6 square feet of valuable floor or desk space.

__________________
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: srilanka
Posts: 2725
Good Answers: 5
#16
In reply to #9

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 10:40 PM

Nowadays they are making mobile phones incorporating a solar panel for self charging. Similarly lap tops too could be designed with solar panel. Further, in every building,room, shop or office finding 6sq ft of unutilised space won't be a problem.

__________________
pnaban
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#10
In reply to #7

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 3:21 PM

You probably don't need all the lights you have anyway.

Use one of these

instead.

Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8777
Good Answers: 376
#11
In reply to #7

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 4:32 PM

Brilliant except for the simple fact that the solar panel requires more energy to manufacture than the cost of the equivalent energy from the grid coming out of your wall socket.

__________________
jack of all trades
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Van Nuys, CA
Posts: 563
Good Answers: 33
#13
In reply to #11

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 7:03 PM

"... solar panel requires more energy to manufacture than the cost of the equivalent energy from the grid ..."

To be fair, there is a "break-even" point. Sure, it will be a long time for such an implementation. Anybody care to do the calculations?

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#14
In reply to #13

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 7:29 PM

I just did them in my head.

Life of product: 5 years

Time to pay back initial investment: 5-10 years.

Likelyhood of using product for 5 years: 25%

Total payback: 15% of initial investment.

That'll be $50.00USD.

Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8777
Good Answers: 376
#15
In reply to #13

Re: Is it possible to use super capacitors to increase a li-ion battery's run time?

08/29/2012 8:21 PM

The calcs have been done before on CR4 by myself and others, the only way to hit "break-even" money wise is with government funding programs or dodgy maths that hide the true material and manufacturing costs, energy payback isn't even close yet for silicon panels (they are still a net energy sink and cost more than they produce).

The development continues however.......

__________________
jack of all trades
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#6

Re: Is it possible to Use Super Capacitors to Increase a Li-Ion Battery's Run Time?

08/29/2012 8:40 AM
__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru
New Zealand - Member - Kiwi Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Engineering Fields - Power Engineering - New Member Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 8777
Good Answers: 376
#12

Re: Is it possible to Use Super Capacitors to Increase a Li-Ion Battery's Run Time?

08/29/2012 4:37 PM

Simple answer, no. If the battery is old it won't have the same capacity as a new battery, replacing the battery with a new one will increase battery runtime.

Alternatively look at altering the laptop power settings to extend runtime, depending on how your laptop is set up and what you use it for simple software changes can result in significant runtime increases with minimal reduction in performance.

Thirdly, aftermarket devices can be connected to help extend the battery life but are not all that good if you want to run continuously rather than for short periods allowing them to recharge the battery between uses.

__________________
jack of all trades
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Register to Reply 17 comments

Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive votes to make them "good answers".

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Anonymous Poster (1); Doorman (1); jack of all trades (3); JRaef (1); lyn (3); mjb1962853 (1); pantaz (2); pnaban (3); PWSlack (1); SolarEagle (1)

Previous in Forum: Ceiling Fan Speed   Next in Forum: Coiling of Cables in Modularized Project.

Advertisement