Login | Register
The Engineer's Place for News and Discussion®

Previous in Forum: Small Bores   Next in Forum: Visual Basics to PLC
Close

Comments Format:






Close

Subscribe to Discussion:

CR4 allows you to "subscribe" to a discussion
so that you can be notified of new comments to
the discussion via email.

Close

Rating Vote:







12 comments
Active Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 23

FM/UL Pumps

10/17/2012 2:44 AM

Hi All,

Can someone help me finding a pump manufacturer that makes a pump ( preferably In Line or End suction) with 50 gpm flow rate and 120 psi Head, and it is required to be FM Approved / UL Listed. This pump will function as a Jockey pump for a fire network. Thanks in advance...

Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing. Kettle's on.
Posts: 19832
Good Answers: 481
#1

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/17/2012 3:22 AM

There are hundreds of options at this time. What is the prime mover for this pump - air, electricity, diesel, other?

__________________
There was a time, not long ago, when people were smarter than their phones... (tips hat to CR4 user Harley.)
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 23
#2
In reply to #1

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/17/2012 3:57 AM

Electric, 400v, 60Hz, actually my problem was finding this pump of the given data with the FM approval.

Register to Reply
Guru
United Kingdom - Member - Indeterminate Engineering Fields - Control Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the bothy, 7 chains down the line from Dodman's Lane level crossing. Kettle's on.
Posts: 19832
Good Answers: 481
#3
In reply to #2

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/17/2012 4:00 AM

A Google search for "Jockey pump" just returned 1.37e7 hits.

__________________
There was a time, not long ago, when people were smarter than their phones... (tips hat to CR4 user Harley.)
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 23
#4
In reply to #3

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/17/2012 4:08 AM

As I indicated, my problem is finding a pump of 50 gpm, 120 psi, FM / UL Jockey pump,,,,,and not just "Jockey pump". I tried Grandfus,Peerless, KSB, American march,etc. but couldn't find any withe the required approval....

Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 2053
Good Answers: 44
#5

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/17/2012 4:55 AM

I may be showing my ignorance, but what are FM Approval and UL Listing? What part of the world are you in?

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 23
#6
In reply to #5

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/17/2012 5:10 AM

FM = Factory Mutual

UL = Underwriters Laboratories. refer to this link:http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091130005028AAih4K1

Obviously these are us standards, but currently I am working on a project for Saudi Arabia

Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Central Midwest
Posts: 262
Good Answers: 10
#7

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/17/2012 8:31 AM

ILME.....

Your jockey pump question seems to request a pump that would be far from the norm.

I sense a waste of time due to a typo or other mix-up....

Jockey pumps, i.e. small used to maintain pressure in a fire protection system, tend to be of smaller capacity and higher pressure.

50 gpm seems to be too much flow and 120 psi seems to be too little head.

You are not able to find such a FM/UL approved pump because you are so far out of a "normal" range for jockey pumps.

My opinion only...

__________________
We have met the enemy....and he is us. POGO
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 23
#8
In reply to #7

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/17/2012 8:49 AM

I agree with you, but it is used for a 150000m2 project with 2 floor buildings, and the flow and head are based on the Hydraulic calculations. Even though the pressure maintenance pump does not need to be FM/UL but the contract's specs. requires it.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 576
Good Answers: 51
#9

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/17/2012 9:47 AM

Here's one http://completewatersystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/A-8707.pdf from A-C Firepump that may work. It's listed as a fire pump, so it should be FM Approved. If Saudi Arabia is 50 Hz, it may be a little short on head unless you can use a VFD.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 576
Good Answers: 51
#12
In reply to #9

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/18/2012 10:03 AM

Oops, I see that in an earlier post you stated 60 Hz, so the A-C should be OK. Also, Grundfos now includes Peerless, who is known for fire pumps, so they can probably also supply your needs.

Register to Reply
Commentator

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Western NC
Posts: 72
Good Answers: 1
#10

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/18/2012 8:33 AM

We have Grundfos where I work, the one installed has been in there since 1996. Don't know why it would have to be FM/UL approved unless that's an insurance company requirement. If it is, ask them for a source?

Register to Reply
Participant

Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1
#11

Re: FM/UL Pumps

10/18/2012 8:45 AM

We use a Grundfos in line in our desal plant as a jockey pump and a Grundfos end suction as a jockey in our fire system. I would suggest going to their web and checking or you can also check Franklin Pumps.

Register to Reply
Register to Reply 12 comments
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

bigg (2); Codemaster (1); I.L.M.E. (4); Mark Peabody (1); MJCronin (1); PWSlack (2); rickmoore69 (1)

Previous in Forum: Small Bores   Next in Forum: Visual Basics to PLC