Common Natural Power Not Realized

I hope you have a prescription for whatever that is.

Don't be so hard on the guy. Where would we be without crazy ideas that would never work?

No! No mercy. We all know, "why a 'breaseway' Happens".

This is gibberish.

I refuse to verbally joust with an unarmed man.

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Just think if you could convert CR4 comments to hot air...ahh, the possibilities.

It's all from a million invisible fairies waving a million invisible fans. Plus chaos theory.

It's the damned butterflies!

I was of the understanding that high school level physics pretty well explained those events and actions for most of us. If you missed it then Google can help you out now.

As far as realizations of such things go I have suspicions its proportionally related to ones working IQ. The higher functioning the IQ the more of life's details realized.

Yes I agree! It's prety clear that some very low IQ's here! some have the book smarts but no clue how to use what they know, Common sense?

The questions ask is what makes up just some things used in the renewable energy systems from nature that happens around us each day 24/7 , It's the how to till now of what type structure membrain that can handle the tempture changes without bamage.

Not that I want to mess with your mind, but taking your #3. If you put the building inside a bubble, you would still get the updraft while the bubble is on the earth, but if you took the bubble out above the surface and let it fall freely, the updraft would stop.

Yes, I know them all. But, revealing them requires huge yet unspecified payments. Please state, how high you are willing to go. Contact my agent at Lyndoor Agencies. Cash or precious metals only in the bid.

It seems that many of you make fun of a real problem like our world's environment & don't have a clue when som one has a real facts to help stop a real problem. Instead of fun making how about a real approuch to helping get people thinking instead of making fun of them whom want to help.

The questions are for thoese who never paid attation in school or life.

Now get ral and act with respect or your age whichever is the bigger.

This site is for disccions on all things to make better approuches to many things better understood.

The how to is known & it seems that you don't, Maybe if you do then you contact me from the energy site after you reread it for partingships.

You are posting questions on an Engineering forum and expect the audience to be "thoese who never paid attation in school or life"?

Conference Room 4^® (CR4) is a forum for engineers, scientists, technical researchers, technical buyers, students and folks who just like technology to discuss engineering news, seek technical help and get answers to burning questions. Maybe you need to re-read the rules of the forum...

Also, you posted in the Mechanical Engineering section.

Post in the appropriate section of the forum, i.e., New Technologies or Sustainable Engineering and you may get a more receptive crowd...but I doubt it.

What, praytell, are "partingships"?

Can you answer why some of these don't happen. If so then you will be well on the way to understanding why they do happen most of the time.

It's the only way to get people to open their minds to thought! For some have forgot that our world has for many years around the world have research of how to.

The facts are known and under construction as a proto type home system for urban development of 5 homes.

Maybe his brain is wired with Al conductors?

I will open my mind to well constructed sentences with correct spelling of words.

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Even a child understands whats on the energy site ,even with miss spelled words of a handicap person. If you are so slow the stop sign hits you in the rear, are you going forward or backwards?

By all means, feel free to tap any of these power sources. Rig up something, try it out, and report back how much energy you get per dollar expended. Good luck.

What is the question here? What do you want us to tell you?

You had five questions which are too simple...any child who has a grade five education can answer them. Are you looking for something different than the grade five science textbook?

1. I am going to skip that since I don't understand the question. Are you wondering why there is a breeze in a breezeway? How much wind is "no wind", there must be some to provide a breeze.

2. Do I know why in a metal carport, when the sun hits the top, water drips from the bottom inside? Answer...No it does not. The dew that forms overnight on the surface of the metal rains down all night, and actually stops when the sun comes out. Same thing happens inside a sea container. The sun begins to warm the metal, the droplets become a little larger as they warm up, and they drip faster, until of course, they simply evaporate. So your observation may be valid for just a tiny slice of time, if at all.

3. There is an updraft wind in an elevator shaft? Really? Why do you suppose it does not happen in the elevator shafts I work in? So, no, your observation is faulty.

4. Heat rises on glass...well, I suppose. If there is heat, on glass or anything else, it rises. So what? So does smoke. Usually.

5. The wind blows faster over water because there is less friction with the ground. No ground...less friction.

Here are a couple back at you....

1, There are three doors. Behind one of the doors is a beautiful woman. Behind the other two doors are ferocious tigers who will kill you if you open their door and let them out.

The evil zoo owner has asked you to pick a door but don't look in. You pick one totally at random. The zoo owner opens the little viewing window on one of the un-picked doors, and you see that there is a tiger behind that door. (fortunately, you are safe from THAT tiger!) So now the evil zoo keeper askes you if you want to stay with the door you picked, or would you like to switch.

He tells you that if you switch, you have a two thirds chance of surviving. If you do not switch, you have a one third chance of surviving. Is he lying to you?

Now here is the question....WHY are the odds not fifty fifty at this point...there are only two doors remaining, right?

Would you switch? Would it matter?

Here is another one.

2, You have an electrical circuit, with two light bulbs in parallel. The dimmer resistor is set to half the resistance of both the two bulbs. If one of the bulbs burns out, will the remaining bulb glow brighter or dimmer, or because they are connected in parallel, will the illumination stay the same in the remaining light bulb?

Here is another one.

3. If you have a hundred pounds of canaries sitting in cages in the cargo hold of an airplane. The plane hits turbulance, and the cages all spring open and the canaries all fly around. Will the plane be lighter, and bounce upwards with that hundred pounds of weight suddenly removed from its cargo hold?

Here is another one.

4. You are in a boat in a swimming pool. It has a lot of heavy iron objects in the boat. You decide to throw the heavy iron objects out of the boat, and they sink to the bottom of the swimming pool. Will the level of water in the swimming pool rise or fall?

And five for five...

5. You are in a boat tied up to the dock, and the rope ladder is over the side, just touching the water. The rungs of the ladder are 8 inches apart. There are twelve inches to a foot. The tide is coming in at the rate of 2 feet per hour. How many rungs are covered in the six hours the tide takes to come in all the way?

6. A man who is deaf and dumb goes into a store, and wants to purchase a pair of sunglasses. He indicates the sun glasses, and mimes putting them on, and makes a motion like a pencil to question the price. You, the clerk, see what he is doing and write the answer down on a piece of paper. A blind gentleman comes in and wants to get a hearing aid. How does he indicate to the clerk that he needs to price out a hearing aid?

Problem no.6 - he asks for it. 1 - 5, can't be bothered. No.1 was discussed at length on this forum a while back. It's named after a presenter on a US TV show, but I don't remember his name.

Sorry! I thought through other post I did answer your questions, as when I post It is for all to read so as to understand what is ask from each post replys.

I do hope this answers your post if not check out the energy site for more information that isn't released to the public proto type still under research & construction phase.

It's is clear that you haven't read the information from the energy site item 3. last 8 pages are from major Univ. statements and proof from them , Not from me.

Come on Lyn, this proves lack of ability to read and understand facts misspelled or not.

A scam mostly ref. to some money took. This systems is not for sale , so how is it a scam when no funds are used.

Released information to the public on a less costly approuch to the cost of wind & solar systems for a community size group to own their own power resource, How is that a scam?

The fund rasing doc. is for travel to that community to give more information speaking cost. Not free to travel cost something to get there & meeting halls and meails.

Kenny,

Once again, I visited your website. Nothing has changed.

It is still filled with gibberish and absolutely NO SUBSTANCE whatsoever!! Not even one reference to any legitimate information.

In fact, it is pitiful.

I still think that you, and it, are a scam!!!!

Lyn It is clear that you want to read the how to section wihtout thought you still would not understand even with blue prints.

The energy site dose not have the how to spelled out for you. It simply states whats involved in its makeup. Not where or how?

After protype is finnished & pat is in hands then will full disclosser will be given, This is to keep big companies & forgein country's from keeping it for them self's instead the common public.

I am sorry that you can't see past the anger of lack of common sence to use what is covered in pappers from other researchers from around the world last 8 pages of item 3. complete explainition fact sheets.

I hope you can slow down and read a little more than a couple first page.

I would at least sniff at the door selected before changing my mind on question #1. If you can't tell the difference between the way a tiger and a woman smells, well then....sorry.

#2 brighter on the remaining functioning light bulb.

#3 the plane is suddenly imbalanced in lift and weight, and rises until compensated.

#4 the level in the pool drops since, less water is being displaced.

#5 zero rungs, as the boat rises with the tide. The ladder still just touches the water.

#6 the blind man is not dumb, he simply asks.

That is the best post I have seen! you must also be a poiet or at least have common sence. Thats not a insult by no means, Just strange use of words.

I I still don't understand why in your post you keep saying there is no substance in the energy site. well maybe you look for my next post in a new thread may help.

Sorry your having such hard time its' only the whats in it that counts right? Sooo far worng! How about our world at stake and all you want to is WHAT???

second try - I could not reply to your reply yusef1.

Do not switch, there is now an equal chance.

Light bulb remaining is brighter due to higher voltage now applied to this leg of the voltage divider.

The birds still exert their lift somewhere, and apparently this on the floor of the plane which is a system within itself, no change in the plane's lift, so I had to correct my first answer.

The bus driver (me) declines to reveal his age other than to say I am older than most.

GA

When I posted my first spelling comment, I was assuming that 'southern IN' (biased by the name kenny...) indicated southern Indiana. Now it looks like that must mean southern India. Perhaps it's a weakness on my part, but I commonly have great difficulty understanding those help desk folks that speak British English with a strong Indian accent.

Either:

1. Kenny... has some difficulty translating his ideas from his first language into English.

or

2. Kenny... uses a totally different thought process than mine. (Mine is based on the scientific method and Boolean logic.)

There may be a third explanation that escapes me...

Yes you may have something there!

But your wrong I do live in southern Indiana, The weakness is from to many head injury's while in the army affects some speech & spelling . Of course if you had read the first 3 pages of the energy site you would have known that. It is clear that you scan read & therefore you miss important things.

That dosen't mean the sceince is not at the stage of development of construction phase, Proto type cost is from my disabilty monies and is not cheap to build.

Now with that said about me and where I am at is understood maybe some respect for my 22 years of services to our country in the army. Now whats your problem with a better approuch to help our planets' environment. You may have a problem with my spelling, It should be focose on th facts not my misspelled words.

I'm sorry but I seem to have missed the post with the link to the site. Could you please post it again?

Yes The energy site is all 1 word lower case renewablethermalwindpower.com

Do not scan read the sites pages! you will miss it, NOT a solar tower, Not a wind balde system, Not a solar collector.

Thank you for the link. I suggest you get someone to assist you with the grammar and spelling to make it look more professional. Then as others have suggested...add some real content!

I'd also suggest that if you are serious, then you should have a page with information about yourself, your resume etc., and what experience you have in this area that helped you form these ideas.

So there was a third possibility! I certainly do appreciate your service to the country, and can accept head injuries as a reason for the terrible English.

I couldn't have read the first three pages of the energy site since, like Tom, I missed the link, wherever it may have been originally. Now that I have seen the first page, and looked briefly at a couple of pages of the PDF, my impression returns to my original one: this is an attempt of a single individual with virtually no knowledge beyond high school physics (if that), and lacking even high school communication skills, to advertise, design, and build a system that would have to be designed by a team of experts in multiple fields, in order to be successful.

On the other hand, knowing you have those difficulties, find someone who can edit your text before posting it. No educated investor is going to read your site as it now appears and be convinced to invest in your project.

At the top of your home page are three images. Although I believe the center image has no place in such a website, I would expect that clicking on one of those images, or perhaps on the text below each, would take me to another page. Clicking on yours does nothing.

I suffer from dyslexia myself, so I always re-read everything I write, before I send it to its destination. Clearly you should too! (note that 'too', meaning also, has 2 'o"s.)

Which God are you referring to, Zeus or Thor, or perhaps Vulcan?

In summary, I tend to agree with Lyn...

Did you come up with you ideas for alternative energy before or after you fell and hit your head?

I read your "papers"...

In your System Explanation (Microsoft Word document) none of the links, save 2, are valid. All except those two returned 404's. One is a magazine article which just talks about renewable energy, which is a no-brainer article...yes, we know renewable energy is good. You seriously need to update your links...you have no references to your "system".

Have you filed any Environmental Impact Statements? Do you have an EIS/OEIS draft for any of these "systems"? Do you have any statement from the EPA regarding these projects? What is the estimated take for migratory waterfowl and endemic species? What about SPL's for neighboring communites?

With regard to the nonequilibrium field theory; what are the effects of transportation on quantum fields, nonequilibrium phase transitions, nucleation and transport of topological defects and other nonlinear coherent structures, and what fundamental issues with regard to the quantum-classical transition and the coherent control of quantum systems do you foresee?

Wow! Cuba Pete, you really have command of the quantum statistical lingo breadbasket, or was that a handbasket? I also got the 404 treatment.

I like the idea of convection energy plants simply because they require insolation to operate, and this usually coincides with peak electrical demand in the part of the United States where the insolation is the greatest.

The major issues that have been run into is the (1) the extremely high construction costs, (2)failure to completely reach design power output in the smaller prototype plants (as I seem to recall), and (3) the pesky (or not) abundance of plant growth due to collection of condensation moisture under the sloped canopy (which is not bad if you are in Mexico trying to grow eggplants and tomatoes).

Notwithstanding all of this, along with the need to place at least a transparent membrane over large tracts, and a very tall tower in the hub - the idea is of some merit that at least one Australian firm has published plans to build on larger scale ,(although I noticed that the largest planned construction in Australia was recently cancelled for lack of funds). As far as I know, the Arizona plan is still on.

OP thinks he has a better idea, but I have no idea what his "claims" are as to some sort of unthought of energy at play here. I think he should go for a government grant, and at least spend the money in his local community, but good luck with the EPA involved in anything.

Cuba Pete & all ! The Environment impact statements are done by where the structure is local area, for each have varying rules. Aircraft turbulence above structure.

The Estimated take for migrate waterfowl & other species have no impact from a in closed fans Intake screens, as not like large blades, ( which are open).

Last statement, Sorry I don't have my bushel basket with me right now.

But it is clear that you have some knowledge of them maybe you can help learn others what the sufferance is in these systems and benefit by in-closed rather than open blade.

...and my mind is like a spring-loaded door. Firmly closed....Ha!

UM, OK. Sorry if I mispoke about your personally James. But I don't think I, at least, suggested any of us have closed minds. In fact, I was hopeful that I could explain to KennyNabb6 why we responded as we did, and probably always would. Shoot, the fact that I didn't chime in on the earlier levity doesn't mean I disagreed with it. Rather it meant I'm just not as quick as the rest of the guys.

I hope I didn't offend you by my explanation to, and discussion of accepted protocols with KennyNabb6.

And KennyNabb6, listen, if we can't understand what you said, even though we try (well, OK, SOME of us tried), and if you repeatedly refer to a link we can't find, search as we might, well, we STILL aren't going to get your drift. It's NOT about ignoring the spelling and focusing on content. If we can't understand the content, we're still going to be lost. Meet us halfway, dude. That's all I'm saying.

And thank you for your service. I, too, served. But you sacrificed a great deal more, and it is apparent, and appreciated.

Yes I do need help with spelling! Agreed.

Now as far as the main page of the energy site bottom center Says where to click to open page, with bottom left has items 1-6 of page links to open clearly posted.

Now the point of score for answers it seems that isn't scored by the person that ask the questions. Some replies were rated 2-4 without being scored by me, so how is that rating the good scores from somewhat stupid none ed. smart ass remarks without thought be good answers.

This site is for asking questions and getting some redrictions from well knowledgeable people.

Also some remarks are clearlly shows what I have said for years from this site some rate their own remarks to build their good answers without merait, & to think all that negitive thought if only some of that was put to woundering WHAT IF, & why? Maybe we could get some real people involved in our planets' environmentals problems, instead of saying some one needs to do something, awiting for others to get started.

Its really sad. The ed. of people really smart people without common sence don't make up IQ's but make high ed. bullies and jokejusters With the ability to wounder and ask simple questions without thought makes for a bad world of future power needs from the environment.

This post is for all whom to read and maybe be a answer to your problems & others.

There is nothing on this blog worthy of being offended. Not much in life offends me, except blatant criminality. Although my wife does have the peculiar ability to get under my skin with words rather easily, seeing as the words are highly corrosive, similar to 103% sulfuric acid (oleum).

Thank you for pointing out the lack of common knowlage use from schools, The art to keep students interested in any learning experiance is asking why & pratical hands on experainces. I hope you can contune to keep it in all your teaching.

Natural earth sceinces can answer many questions in todays health & environment we have the computer modeling that can do all the campraissions & models, It's only as good as what we ask it to do with quick time. HOW TO & common sence to ask the question.

I do hope the schooling system where you are knows what you mean to your students

for opening their minds to what if & why?,

As of 1/1/13, all owners of breezeways will be required to set up wind generators.

Now there is a plan!

1. Is a breaseway something like a greaseway? Or did you mean breezeway. Wind flux over an area produces pressure differences. Perhaps you left a window open. What exactly was it you measured? What did you observe?

2. Are you stating this as a general observation? I. E. - if the sun is incident on the upper metal surface, there MUST be water dripping off the undersurface? Could it be that there is water on top from morning dew, and the insolation expands the metal and allows it to leak through holes where the teaks screw in?

3. Were you expecting the draft to blow in some other direction? Again, wind pressure against the surface, and possibly a Bernoulli effect at the top of the structure where the wind velocity tends to be higher than at ground level.

4. When light is incident on any surface, a portion is absorbed, and a portion is reflected. The absorbed light is converted to heat. Heat is transferred from the surface to the surrounding air, resulting in isobaric expansion, hence the less dense air rises. Same answer on (I presume) vertical window panes.

5. Have you actually measured this effect? Any data to back up the conclusion? If indeed wind speeds increase over water, it must be you are referring to speeds near the surface which is smooth and offers no drag resistance to flux.

James . You have answered most items with thought.

With that said would any body else understand if I ask what is recyling of the atmosphere using a tornado vortex & a solar heat engine would mean?

Just because the most of todays lower ed. public wouldn't have a clue, Common people, 9 th grade is where most are understanding it.

All of this is on the energy site's first 3 pages. Yet most say impossible because they miss what is in it as simple as possible Over thought is not whats needed, its reading the facts pages in item 3 on site list the facts in each possible combinations & what type materails.

How about doing MY questions in post number 21? I did yours!

James You are somewhat correct about the thermal transfure systems under thought around the world, only 1 problem with that is the systems that I have combined are from less costly parts that help each other inhanse to power output when caintained in a better cone shaped structure to inhanse where the fans are located & air movement in that area with 5 sizes structures smalliest structure is only 150ft tall with 300 ft base of the ground 25ft air intake.

Yes you have the basic understanding with some exceptions of where the fans are located & focased on what protition of the fans to control speed on fans.

Now add the low air inlente at base is where the hydraulic cooling grids are placed to start to updraft direction starters, Instead of down drafts. Remembering this is not a stove pipe action, LOW Volume.

This starts the tornado vortex into action.

Internal thermal transfure into a cone shape nozzel with airfolw regulator speed control system on fans, low air speed adjust nozel from inner of fans to more outter ring will increase the fan speed & vis visera.

Remembering that heat is produced from the main power transfure from kenitics to hydraulics to run the gens will produce a lot of heat. The heated air molacuels move faster than cool ones. The open mas at base to the smaller part hole has increased flow rate.

Now that it is understood of what makes up the systems and it's what if known.

The bigger questions are how do we all get involved in actions to make it happen in your actions around the forum to help our world 1 community at a time for the evnironment. NOT for me, But for every one.

This is past the experiment stage, now its what tubelar skilaton frame will better fit the heat & cooling with the membarin flex both inner and outer layers without damage. Remembering that the top only has the weight of the fans and the pump cooling grid.

This will lessen the total weight to be supported. For prototype it has been suggested to use plasitc resin pipe 900 series with membraine matterals could be of hot air metrails. For others reading the post the insults was not to me but rather the insulters were just showing their lack of common sence & did not take it to be mean Just stupid remarks without thoughts.

Maybe you could gain by collaborating with fellow CR4 poster joe.fordham; some of his ideas are similar.

Now, there was a real piece of work!!!!! Could be a match made in Heaven.

I've unsubscribed twice now, but curiosity draws me back.

Especially since you commented.

Lyn It is good that a spark of what if intered your mind and came back. At least for something to say is better than nothing, If anything to get the interest to get more information no matter how difficault to grasp at least sparking interest to what remarks bring some laughter or frounds, It's learning that even disabled people have some smiles in life.

Stay tuned for the next round of thoughtless remarks in new thread.

Really! What is to gain from closed minded people on anything interesting when the lack of respect to others with comments that not only myself received but others.

It seems from all the post that I've been in it's always matched with some one speeking without thought & saying it won't work or it doesn't happen.

I get better responce from Jr. high schoolers around the country & over seas kids are more respectfull & willing to the wounder & what if than disrespecting the messenager.

We all have some degree of mis fuctions as proof of this threads responces from high IQ people, Lacking common sence it shows a stupid person rather dum.

Some are content to do the right thing, And get smart & just not say nothing if they don't know, SMART.

To all whom are real people & want to do the right thing sometimes takes longer to get anything done, But it is worth it instead of dragging one self down to the bullies leveal.

To the respect to all whom get-it thanks for your important things said with thought.

Now the question is what do you do with the information? Nothing & wait for others to take action or get involved in your area to get public awear of a lower cost to the problem.

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Can I get a honest recap of what you were/are after with this thread?

Are you attempting to explain these phenomenon or are needing them explained to you?

It seems to me that he (Kenny) is trying to teach us something, but we are all so dumb, it's not going to happen. I have better things to do. by, by

Yes trying to teach what you forgot, No not all are dumb just lack common sence, some are just stupid and can't learn anything. CLOSE MINDED. Lack the abbility to wounder & ask how come , why does this happen, what if we can?

It is a same that other countries high school kids ask me why aren't Americans doing what they can to inspire learning in earth sceinces to help the environment with technologies that are here in the US. What can I tell them the truth, Lack of opening their mind to what if is possible & use common sence. Thats why.

Alas, it would be a recrap.

Yes recap Inspirring the WHAT IF thought process when explainning how to use these phenomenon to simple folk with High & low IQ's with common sence, one without the other doesn't work that is clear.

Like pointed out earlier in Jr.high school simple known power when combined into 1 structure as a catainment chamber is in site with structure desgins from new technologies can be less costly to a community than big blade wind mills & large solar panels which both are batter storage.

The energy site is what makes up its internal parts , Not how to build it in blue print.

Facts from other researchers that have proven them in test & papers to prove it. Not from ME.

I am the HOW TO person that has assyembled the 8 naturals with 6 man made thermal transfure systems & structure desgin.

The point of this was to see how many people really care about how to help understand whats at stake in our planets' environmental problems & and a way to do something other than nothing at all except complaine.

So when does the indepth explaining start?

It's really to much to start the indepth all at once, First one needs to be awear of what happens around them that can be used in a control chamber structure. If you are like some here and think what is the point of this Understanding the elemmites & why they happen is hard enough for most.

The energy site documents tell most of it not just by me but really smart common senices Proffissors that are far beond most people's own IQ way out there, Including me.

Stay in the discussion on new threads, It may bring some lite to your darkness of sight, & wounder.

Sorry Had something to do. Now back to the structure matreails & cost.

No where did I say stainless steel concreate like the nuke towers.

Remember that recycled plastic ressians have come a long way in structure tubes & I-beams that have greater strienght than Iron & concreate, & is a more flexable materail. Also this will lower our land feilds.

Now also the fans are aircraft recycled jet fans,Not open blade type. Fans are inclosed in the cone shape narrow end. The jet fans can be dammanaged some because they only go no more than 100 rpm not thousands.

This is only in the 2 smaller structures, The larger structures can be built like tall condows outside the inside shape remains the same shap as a cone inner, Housing & renewable energy together. Thus lower cost per structure useable inner ground space.

Thread reply over-cap.

It seems that any body with disabilities are automatically dismissed from having smart knowledge of whats' going on around them by so called engineers with closed minds, & then we wounder why America is falling behind the rest of the world.

Does it make you a better person than that of a disabled?

AS far as the systems talked about here Has already been studied by I am sure more current Physic's engineers than your so called group, As stated in the energy site documents.

As far as being documented who is the inventor has intellectual property rights years ago also stated in site.

Now if your so called engineers group is real people & have information on how to do something no matter small that has a environmental impact as engineers wouldn't you do what you could to prove it instead of denning your groups abilities.

Talking together as a world group can really change together the betterment of our country.

A real engineer no matter of what type engineer should be open mind to what if.

The facts are there & it's what your so called group can do nothing to at least spark thought is up to you But at least it's out there for thought to all.

KennyNabb6:

Tone it down. I am tired of your "so called" anything statements with reference to us. I have voiced a conciliatory tone in many posts in this thread, to you, and more specifically to the thread.

But I am weary of your insults. You used the preface "so called" several times in the previous post, and have done little besides challenge us as (implied) idiots, called us closed minded, implied that we are bigots. Note, you've implied this about US, as a whole. If you have specific people in mind, have the guts to speak directly. I'm tired of hearing it, and I can tell you absolutely that your insults drive me, personally, AWAY from doing anything you suggest.

If you can't speak in a softer tone, I will lodge a complaint with the admins, and ask them to ban you from further posting.

Note, I will do no such thing if the only thing at stake is an idea with which I may or may not agree, as you have the right to state your idea, and even to stake everything you own on it. But you do not have the right to come into OUR house, and insult us, because some of us disagree with you.

So, son, as one vet to another, tone it down, or turn it off. Neither of us can afford to alienate everyone around us.

There may be a future in this idea. By its nature, it will be expensive, and nobody I know would be willing to invest the couple million it would take to create a pilot plant. I figure I would like to see an example of one in action...say a smokestack in an unused factory. Put a wind generator in the base of it and see what power you get out of the smokestack. Lots of smokestacks around the US not being used! Why do you suppose there is no tornado wind happening when the sun warms the stack late in the day? Or maybe there is...anybody here on CR4 have a smokestack in their plant which does this?

however my original question still remains...WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US? An evaluation of whether it will work? An evaluation on whether it will work well enough to provide a return on investment? There is nothing on your web site which would be specific enough to evaluate in any way, and so virtually all of the experienced engineers here simply dismiss you out of hand. Think about that...the combined experience of all the engineers who have weighed in on this topic likely exceed a couple of centuries. This is a TOUGH CROWD!

So what do you want?

NO, attempting to explaining how to use the phenomenon in a renewable energy systems explainations have been done back in the early 1960's it's how to use the knowladge in what cantainment chamber structure.

Indepth explainations can be done by sponcered public ED awearness events as stated in the energy sites' public awearness flyer. incased you missed it all 1 word renewablethermalwindpower.com

Hydraulic systems information done by parker Industrail research & development divission, Air vac pressure systems done by Triad Technologies Affelliates of companies.

"renewable - thermal - wind - power" = solar, as every other form of "renewable" energy is, except for maybe geothermal, that is part tidal energy (from the moon - so is it lunacy?) and part nuclear energy, and this set up the rotating core of our planet, hence the magnetic field that makes our planet "safe" for life to thrive.

No energy is totally renewable #1: conservation of energy, and the second law of thermodynamics proves this - in that no one can just pull energy from nothing, and no system can take in and exhaust heat isothermally and produce net work.

All wind power is due to convection for that is what weather is basically comprised of (in a high order non-linear dynamic system) along with evaporation and condensation of water resulting in precipitation, etc., and a few other niceties such as lightening.

Very well put! Now take all that you have said and look more closer to all the combinations in nature and apply structure design with engineer what if the tower does not Exhaust heat! thats why on the picture the top section is shade in BLUE( what color represent) COLD thats where the refraction comes in to play.

Thermal basic es Remember your 1st line!? now apply them.

Question NOT armed OK

Look at the picture of the structure & apply to ways of approach Goods, & bads from type structure Engineering design, goods & bads form refrigeration, Hydraulics the same.

Now apply the basics for created suction updrafts as Vacuum.

What is induced thermal Vacuum?

This thread needs to be euthanized.

Well I for one have rather enjoyed this thread. Granted it has yet to educate me on a single darned thing related to hot air rising water condensation forming or any other things the OP claims can yield great levels of harnessable energy from mundane and minute physical manifestations of nature that don't add up to anything practical or of substantial use until scaled up to unrealistically vast proportions.

So as for the OP. Kenny what exactly is your brain injury anyway and what specific region of the brain is it affecting?

I figure I might as well ask since my question about when the concepts and implied working principals of your imagined creation have yet to ever be covered.

By the way I too checked out your website and read it in detail and I as well could get very little useful or practical information regarding your design other than its referenced to a lot of things that don't add up or check out being plausibly true in any online searches I ran and believe me I am rather good at running obscure facts and data collecting online searches.

As far as putting a nearly half mile diameter and quarter mile high thermal Teepee in my back yard that only generates around 200 - 400 MW for all its size costs and complexities and that only works when the sun is shining you can for get it. I too have far better things I can do with that land that will waste money and piss off the neighbors for years to come as well.

Look at it this way.

If three people don't understand what you are talking about the fault could very well could be with them.

However if 30+ educated and experienced people cant follow what you are talking about the fault is probably with you!

As far as handicaps go there are a number of people here who have them in one fashion or another. I also know a number of people who I deal with in life quite regularly myself who have what could be considered handicaps of all sorts as well. One of my best friends is missing his entire right arm but I don't consider him handicapped and nether does he. (Except when trying to drive a skid steer or hold a nail and hammer it in at the same time.)

The thing is no one here has said anything about you having a handicap but you and even then when asked politely about what it is you went on the defensive which to me pretty much says you are the primary source of the communication problem here not anyone else. Multiple people have asked you to explain things that you seem to think you know more about than they yet not once have you given a single coherent or relevant response regarding said questions.

Your backyard is that large? How exactly would this apply in North Dakota - large solar convection? Do you even have air conditioners in North Dakota?

Besides the energy produced during peak demand time of the day, there is also the impressively large greenhouse under the canopy, that apparently needs little to no water from outside sources, so your neighbors don't like vegetables, huh?

Isn't everyones back yard that large?

As far as farming and vegetable go we generally don't have much problems with growing them here as is.

Yes we do have air conditioners as well. And larger than average heat systems too! (Some days my wife likes to run both at the same time as well.)

As far as viable AE goes we are the wind capital of North America so there is not much need fore fancy contraptions here. Put up a pole put some blades and a generator on it and you can get lots of free power here.

Even if the wind doesn't blow we have enough oil wells and natural gas supply to power most of the US on an average day but thats a whole different topic.

Yes, I know how well blessed North Dakota is and apparently you are as well, my friend.

I sort of like the vortex idea, but you and I can agree that the force may not be intensive enough to dirve a conventional bladed GE turbine, and I tend to have my doubts about spiral designed vertical axid radial flow wind turbines.

My grandfather in West Texas was one of the first to use windmills for irrigation of farm land (larger machines than the ranchers had), in a limited way, because no one would be able to water 300 acres with this. He also had a windcharger that charged his battery bank so they had lighting and radio way back in the 1910's.

True!

Your last line here thought is the bigger question that is why this discussion form thread was intended to address.

simple question NOT loaded OK.

Remember when you were little and had a bike & had it upside down washing off the mud on the wheels with a hose?

The wheel spins faster on outer tire & as you wash the spook es towards the center it slowed down, Or yard art spinners, OK now take a cone small end facing the spinner, What happens?

Now I ask you for the cost for large bladed can produce the same amount if it had a wind cone nozzle on the fans are enclosed?, Whats the sufferance?

"The wheel spins faster on outer tire & as you wash the spook es toward the center it slowed down, Or yard art spinners, "

Nope! all of my wheels have always spun at the same RPM in the inner areas as they did at the outer radius points.

As far as the wheel ls lowing down as the water stream approaches the center that is simple physics. The surface area that the water stream contacts remains about the same and the supply pressure remains the same however the effective torque it can produce is smaller (less leverage) while the drag on the outer area of the tire has become proportionally greater (air drag plus water slinging) than that of the energy being put in by the water stream.

No mystery here for me and no free energy either.

OK I hope all remember the snapper riding mower system ! the larger plate disc spun the smaller freewheel! Same exempale. OK. The same is true in kinetic to mach.

Are we close now, but your on the right track OK.

So look at the last discussion for the formula.