Bio Memory

Well there is basic instinct...but physical memories passed from one generation to the next, I think not,,,..

http://scienceblog.com/48584/your-dna-may-carry-a-%E2%80%98memory%E2%80%99-of-your-living-conditions-in-childhood/

Can't DNA in itself be considered memory. Information which has been encoded. Stored in our cells. For retrieval to perpetuate the species.

Well I would ask the question can you control your DNA with conscious thought, or is it merely a set of directions that has survived and perpetuated itself through circumstance....?

Though conscious thought our species strives to survive. Which intern cause changes in our DNA. The circumstance is just obstacle we work though with thought.

The idea makes for some fun fiction in Jean Auel's "Earth's Children" series.

No time to dig it up right now but I think there was scientific work done on birds and bird migration. I believe the birds even when seperated from the parents did find the same route as the parents. Thus suggesting a level of memory past on via the genes.

Years ago, I remember a study in which an one-celled organism (amoeba) was trained to follow some kind of path and when the cell was split the learned behavior was remembered by the new organism. Is that a memory set in the DNA?

You bet your bippy, to put it mildly. And never mind common sense. There is a program (from National Geographic?) about the modern man and the Neanderthal man. It turns out, that 2 - 5% of the genes in most folks around the globe are Neanderthal. Specifically, resistance to bugs in the cold end of the late ice age.

Neat, is not?

Once the idea is proven, keep looking for other examples. You will find an abundance.

The answer is yes. Lamarck was right in principle. Experiences can be affect the gamete.

Heritability of immune responses. Sarah Strand PhD UC Davis

Your reference to Sarah Strand is intriguing. Can you elaborate?!?

No luck with first search.

Yeah, that's why if you have a leg amputated, your further offspring will be born with a leg missing.

It would make sense. That may explain why we very rarely see a three legged man?

Not really, but you may feel the missing leg for around 21 days.

There seems to be more than one definition of "memory". If by your question you are asking if you can remember things from past lives I would say no. But if you mean your DNA remembering certain paths I would say yes, that would be instinct, a form of programming. But I know of nobody that can remember instinct, because our memory is based on our experience, not on programming of DNA that happened before we were born.

There was a great deal of research done concerning memory at UC Berkley back in the sixties. It was found that if a mouse was trained to run a maze and then was caused to do so habitually for a few days, that there was a change in RNA, not DNA. When the mouse was killed, it's brain removed and the RNA extracted. The RNA was then injected into the brain of a mouse that had never experienced the maze. Amazingly, this mouse was able to run the maze perfectly after only a few hours and with no training of any kind! I would say that, yes, memory can be passed on, but only in a very limited way. I hate to imagine where our government went with this research.......

As one of a biological science persuasion coming in rather late to this discussion, may I suggest to the proper engineers here that when they stray into our territory they pay as much respect to our technical terms as we do to yours. After all, if you can be lofty about someone confusing volts and amps, what are we to make of someone confusing memory laid down in neural circuits with the information held in RNA for the purpose of generating proteins? This story of mice and mazes appears to belong to the urban legend department. Since RNA is a strictly intracellular component, it never appears in the normal bloodstream and there is no mechanism for uptake across the cell membrane. There is no mechanism within the body for modulating RNA by a signal from another part of the body either, though obviously you can get at it with radiation. An "injection" into an animal is therefore not going to achieve the required intracellular distribution of RNA. Microinjection into a single cell is technically possible, but that is not going to spread to adjacent cells either.

I would refer you to the following study:

The transfer of learned behavior from trained to untrained rats by mean of brain extracts. I.F Rosenblatt, J T Farrow, and S Rhine

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC224185/

I also have more than a little background in biology. While the most accepted theory currently rejects RNA as having any direct relationship to memory, it does recognize RNA as an essential component. Other reports continue to theorize RNA as a primary component, to date experimental proof of any of these theories is wanting. Corollary continues to suggest that RNA is a major player in the encoding of memory. Experiment proves that it is a needed component in the transfer of memory from a donor to a subject recipient. While i have not researched current work completely, the research of memory transfer by this means clearly continues. A quick look at some of these studies suggests that your position concerning the uptake and assimilation of RNA may not be completely correct. Even early research with planaria worms proved that simple cannibalism was sufficient.

Thank you for that. I think you will find, however, that the text of that reference is long on theory and short on fact. In particular, the injectate was far from pure, and no specific protein was characterised as having a memory transfer function. I refer also to the interesting statement in the preamble "learning in rats is facilitated by their being fed yeast RNA". What did the rats learn about being a yeast?

I haven't read any of the studies, but intuitively it seems there has to be some sort of information encoded in the nucleotide sequences. Think of the natural beauty and structural complexity of a spider web. I don't think a baby spider goes out and snorts a bunch of random web structures before finally arriving at the same one that works. Those of them for some reason don't know how to build one don't survive. How could they possibly know how to build something so complex as a web if it weren't encrypted in them somewhere? Much more advanced than just digging a hole in the ground to live in.

jhammond

Further along these lines, interesting research published just yesterday in Current Biology, summary here. Appears that sockeye salmon use the earth's magnetic field to navigate. How they detect the field is one question. Then there's the other question - how do they know what to do with it when they sense it? Much like the spider weaving a web, they are born with the "instinct" - but where is that information encrypted?

jhammond

!!! non scientific (such as i can't provide any text links 2)

there is a process such that if you have a HiNRG neg experience it'd be "coded in" chemically to your system as self sustainance opt. ???

... there are at least 2 higger layers of information-space in man-space
commonly you're using just'he 1ry
... in case of crisis/war the 2ry! switches on

? 3rdy ... there is ... but the trigger ??? ... such as the enlightened SH-s may 've better answeres (basicly if you're mastering your systems - you'd be realizing smth. being the entire gene line - you get the access to this information time-invariant but there's also some here triggers electro.-chem 1-s ... drink clean water ... eat unsupplemented/raw +unpoisonous food - might trigger up without enlightening ... )

I am not sure if I am on the same wave length here but here goes. I have read quite a bit concerning persons that have had a major organ transplant and numerous times the recipient took on skills of the donor such as musical abilities or some other specific skill such as math. It has intrigued the scientists and medical community as to how this was possible. DNA memory may be the answer also the suggestion that water molecules carry a memory factor and since we are about 80% water may explain to some degree. Interesting topic any how.

the DNA's much like LC resonator - it does link to spesiffic spirit (if you accept such and can crasp it) - - - - spirit is timeless - - - - what happens in pre-child birth is it's parents souls get level high and recombine leaving their young and life-force carring ssspirit particles merged (a new LC resonator that are more or less both in upper spirit state) this one comes to help ?them .. itself out -- there are variations however ...

There are many unexplained phenomena it our lives. I have had several experiences that are not easy to explain such as a dream when a child featuring a certain kitchen. It was not a bad dream but when I was 25 I went on a trip with a friend and visited his mother and her kitchen was the one in my dream.. Quite an experience I may add, Go figure. And I had never been in that part of Canada in my life but possibly in another life.. hard to comprehend.

This is a "phenomena" not that uncommon but a scientific explanation has not been discovered. I think maybe there are people who have an extra-sensory ability "read" memories passed on by the genes Of course that means, if memory is passed on by our DNA, then our DNA is constantly adding new information with each new generation. Whew.

I agree and have no simple answer. Many instances but little in the way of research to explain.

it's likey a spirit travel (kids can spirit travel in their dream time more easyly than adults coz thei're spirits b4 birth - and 'ey remember how to b such)

anyway if you try to sense "nonsense"(magic) you likely confuse your spirit-mind = forgot the spirit-science - that is possible not b-coz but when spirit it just . . .you

if you didn't realize (you make me a bad guy if you start doing this)
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such is not my intention - as i've had about 15 CDE-s (completly dead experience-s (the return of whitch is returning to yoourself B¤ such occured here )) then i just remember stuff - it can be described - in a science sense - and i hope there are somewhere other idiots like me - and together we can make a practical use of such bullsh¡t

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the bio mem part of your kitchen incident could be that (strong personalities are home to many spirits extra themselves) = you might've been her(angel) ◄ is spirits memory

if you are also genetically similar or have same grand parents ◄ it's a bio memory (like the (identical) twins have) ◄ and it's still a spirit memory coz the LC-effect
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HOW TO identify Bio MEM is when youre ??? in a house fire - and you suddenly know how to save yourself and others - then you're gene line has - such success evt. pre-programmed in

sso if you know how to act in unknown situation with no prior data it's a bio mem /!\ likely

animals and bugs know how to do stuff - nests, cocoons, nets , survive in a wild

however - they have also angels support - such as higger spirit logs in - makes the stuff - it gets coded in - passes by the gene line

Interesting, and in line with an elder lady that I had made acquaintance with some years back. She claimed to work with angels, spirits and did dowsing to diagnose. I was quite skeptical of her techniques but over the years most of what she had claimed as possible has been proven by science. Using magnets to cure cancer was one of her protocols and was boo hooed by many but I have at this time about 6 cancer or people cures using magnets as one of the protocols. I have never been hypnotized to recall past experiences but it way be interesting to experience the effect.

sso how to restore your lost spirit memories

1) get rid of the anxiety depression

• spending time with yor friends easy time laghing may interactively amplifiy forgetting heavy thoughts
• playing with cildren or just simple unexciting/?childish games
• loveing something or someone plant bug animal ???man - more than - loving feeling depressed

none of us are unique, we are our genomes

Except for identical siblings and clones, genomes are unique.

Urban myth.

Depends on type of memory. If we define memory as a recorded experience, epigenetics would say "Yes." A BBC program called "Ghost In Your Genes," presents the idea.

The svedish / english cooperative research is an enduring classic. It has proven - against then prevailing concepts - that feast and famine years marked the DNA of generations downstream. Hence the birth of epigenetics, or at least the first one I became acutely aware of.

In my well considered and typically reserved opinion: EVERYBODY SHOULD SEE AND ABSORB IT. The consequences for you and yours approaches that of Newton and Einstein.

Yes. The potential for explanation of many things and also generating even more queries and puzzles is staggering. The very idea of molecular "memory," (whether the chromosome comes from mother or father, determining the resulting effect) is, itself, extremely interesting.

Yes, I read about this a couple of years ago, in Discover magazine I think.

It was about the pups of genetically obese mice feed a diet that did not allow them to become obese then having pups that were not genetically obese.

If memory serves, information was recorded by molecules on the outside edge of the DNA chain thus were passed from generation to generation.

bandership

There are no molecules on the outside edge of the DNA chain other than the adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine bases which link to make up the double helix structure of DNA. Nothing else attaches to those.

Actually there are markers in between...i"ll have to go find the paper I read a couple year ago...new interesting stuff that pretty much said that experiences could initiate markers that led to specific gene initiation if the same external concitions reoccured in later generations.

Man Oh Man! Whenever I see this kind of issue raised/discussed, I always approach it with Salmon of Doubt. (I propose doubt be measured in a unit called Salmon)

Where is the operational definition of "memory"? The definition of "memory" in this thread drifts across a lot of territory.

Genes don't remember how to code a protein any more than I remember how to stay stuck to the Earth. Mice "remember" mazes from injected mouse extract? Did the maze+mouse evaluator know the mouse had been injected? Was there any control for experimenter bias? How many times around the world has this experiment been duplicated?

Scientists are human and it is human nature to find things you are looking for, even when they are not there.

I just remembered something, but I already forgot it.

We need to find ways to develop this. Think of it, children born with a knowledge of the language and math and science. They would still have to educate their mouths on how to produce the sounds unless the muscles had their own biomemory; fingers would have to learn to hold and manipulate a pencil or keyboard.

You seee where this can lead. we would almost equal the robots that come from the factory, pre-programed.

There are child prodigies born with knowledge of math and music and language. How did they get this knowledge before they were taught? If humans were able to manipulate the DNA to produce genius children, would they do it? Children do know how to communicate before they learn to talk and parents have been teaching their babies to use word signs for awhile now.

I always laugh when people think we're not animals...all animals have instincts.

We are just out of touch with ours and don't really need them anymore since we can now substitute University Degrees for them.

is instinct memory?

The subject of inherited learning is slightly addressed in the April issue of Popular Science on page 39 and is called epigenetic tags.

bandership

What else could it be, the brain pretty much runs the whole show although different parts do different things. One should ask then, Is the medulla oblongata capable of carrying memories from one generation to the next?

To say that a person is born a complete blank slate would be stretching it. How does a baby only minutes old know how to suck to get food? Is this action instinct or memory or is there really any difference.

We are finding out now that they can recognize voices they have only heard from the womb so learning may begin before birth.

If someone would simply scan a newborn's brain while breast feeding we would probably get the answer to where innate memories are seated.

This link is about new mapping of the brain project proposed by the Obama Adminstration. We may be at the threshold of understanding more about the topics herein discussed.

www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/jan-june13/medical_02-20.html

More likely a bunch of third rater "Anhanger". Looking for table scraps.

It only take 20% of our genome to build a functioning person...I seriously doubt if the other 80% is fluff.

My guess is that the other 80% are genes we don't need right now. Maybe a gene to grow and extra layer of fat just beneath our skin for when the next ice age comes along soon.

Or the ability to breath CO² laden air.

Or the ability to outrun a hungry lion.

Or the ability to eat raw meat or raw grasses.

Or ten thousand other abilities that have gone dormant that got us through the ten's of thousands of years living in the wild before indoor plumbing came along.

Or just maybe some abilities we have have never had use for as yet...

As for the layer of fat, I think the U.S. is ready for the Ice Age. How predictive our genes are. (where is the happy face button?)

layer of fat - is just the "more me" - simply put (it's psycological)
a difference logic than common covers the area (i didn't detail that "more me here" nor below)
(or maybe not) basicly i it's a subconscious withdrawal from active life
-- so you leave the more active people chance to learn(/do their work)
(so it's a function of the poulation density on the area)

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