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PVC Insulated Copper Wire Tensile Strength

04/03/2013 4:31 AM

Dear experts,

Kindly suggest for selecting value of tensile strength of pvc insulated flexible copper conductor for industrial and residential purpose.

As this copper conductor should not break during pulling through conduits.

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Re: Pvc insulated copper wire tensile strength.

04/03/2013 4:36 AM
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Re: Pvc insulated copper wire tensile strength.

04/03/2013 4:59 AM

The tensile strength of copper is what it is. Selection is not an applicable concept.

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Re: Pvc insulated copper wire tensile strength.

04/03/2013 7:54 AM

Not sure about the "selecting value"

As an educated guess the tensile strength will not be much more than the copper strands provide by themself.

But I am sure the conductor would have better not to see too much stress.

Select something else to take the stress on your conductor.

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Re: Pvc insulated copper wire tensile strength.

04/03/2013 8:15 AM

The guiding concept here is "how large a conduit diameter do I need to safely and properly pull my wires." There are standard tables for various conduit and conductor sizes that tell you, for example, how many #12AWG wires you can pull in 3/4" rigid galvanized steel conduit. That is all figured out so that there won't be too much tension on the wires due to twisting, bunching, bends, etc. So check the tables for your guiding codes (NEC, BS 7671, etc.).

Also, use a good cable lube in the conduit when pulling, and it will "smooth" the process and give you an easier, lower effort pull.

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Re: Pvc insulated copper wire tensile strength.

04/03/2013 10:31 AM

This would explain the purpose of the question from OP.

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Re: Pvc insulated copper wire tensile strength.

04/03/2013 8:30 AM

...and if a proprietary lube is not available, try talcum powder instead.

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04/03/2013 8:37 AM

The tensile strenght of copper wires is 200-250 N/mm2, so you can't select it, it will be determined by the wire caliber that you'll run, which in turn will be determined by the load calculations, which in turn will be made by a qualified electrician.

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04/03/2013 10:20 AM

I have heard about class 2 and class 5 conductors,but didn't get sufficient information on net.

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04/03/2013 11:25 AM

You can access a certain imprecise amount of 'selection', in the 'decreased' direction by repeatedly bending the copper back and forth in the same place, making the wire, harder, more brittle, and if done enough, with reduced tensile strength.

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04/03/2013 11:53 AM

Yes, fatigue; but I think the OP is more interested in the maximum tensile strenghts (per wire caliber).

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04/03/2013 12:39 PM

...or, maybe, minimum tensile strength (per wire caliber)...?

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Re: PVC Insulated Copper Wire Tensile Strength

04/03/2013 12:17 PM

It's a pointless question.

The fact is the PVC insulation will rip off the wire due to what ever friction is causing the conductor to need to be pulled on that hard long before the copper conductor breaks rendering the electrical circuit useless.

That and any straight line pull long enough to produce enough drag friction of the wire in a conduit will far exceed the circuits working amp capacity rating for said total lengths of the conductors in the circuit.

The point is if the total length f the circuit is that long you are way past the working limits of the conductors or if the conduit path has that many bends or too tight of bends (90 degree elbows opposed to swept radius fittings and joints) whomever designed and routed it didn't know what they were doing and a number of junction boxes or openings need to be placed in the conduit to allow for much shorter pulls to be done.

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04/03/2013 3:19 PM

This information can be found in the cable manufacturer's literature and the appropriate electrical standards related to your specific country and application.

Proper pulling technique should minimise any chance of breakage during installation, regardless of the cable, and this should have been part of your training if your are a qualified electrical installer. I am not going to go into lube, bundling techniques, etc here.

Additional information can be found on the internet regarding cable pulling practices if you want some additional help, but the cable manufacturers website and standards are a good place to start if you just want an idea of what a particular cable can safely take before guide wiring, bundling (or similar) has to be used to alleviate the strain on the cables being installed.

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Re: PVC Insulated Copper Wire Tensile Strength

04/04/2013 2:58 AM

As many others have said the tensile strength is not the issue. The correct conduit size, appropriate lubrication & the procedures while pulling the cables through the conduit is all that is needed to prevent the conductors from breaking when pulling through conduits.

If the conductors are breaking while you are pulling them through the conduit then I would review your choices in those areas

If you search CR4 there is a thread in the last few months that someone posted about pulling cables through conduits & they asked for everyones suggestions of the best ways to do it. There was many excellent ideas on the topic

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