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Plant Based Oil to Mixed With Petroleum Based Oil

04/18/2013 9:29 AM

Hi. There is a claim in my country of a certain plant based oil used as engine oil treatment (for petroleum based oil only). Claims are: increase of power, adheres with the metal for better lubrication, improves the viscosity even the engine are due for change; no need for change oil, just refill the engine oil with the same plant based oil 4 times every year, no need for oil filter replacement, reduce smoke emission.

What are the facts that i should know about engine oil particularly on various oil additives/treatment that will enhance engine performance and longer engine life? especially on this plant based oil treatment.

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04/18/2013 9:34 AM

"...no need for oil filter replacement..."

This sounds like very wishful thinking, or very creative writing.

Legal and common sense maxim: Part is false, all is false.

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04/18/2013 9:54 AM

What nonsense. Please provide the URL containing the claim so that debunking can commence.

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04/18/2013 10:41 AM

Is this certain plant a coconut?

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04/18/2013 10:55 AM

coconut oil solidifies at about 70° F. Be pretty hard to pump that with cold engine.

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04/18/2013 11:12 AM

"coconut oil solidifies at about 70° F. Be pretty hard to pump that with cold engine." Yup.

Our friend is asking to "... know about engine oil particularly on various oil additives/treatment that will enhance engine performance and longer engine life? especially on this plant based oil treatment."

He has been, in past threads, looking for ways to use coconut oil.

I'm just sort of reading between the lines. He may be on to something else by now.

Doesn't really matter what the oil is, the claims are outrageous.

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04/18/2013 12:56 PM

Must be cheap in his neck the world. I use it for cooking and it's pretty pricey.

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04/18/2013 10:43 AM

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Don't believe such nonsense.

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04/19/2013 9:54 AM

Hey, that's my line! -- JHF

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04/18/2013 10:49 AM

Plant based oil isn't new....there is also animal based oil....but they all need to be filtered....and periodically changed....

Personally I have never found any additive or alternative oil type other than synthetic blend that worked well...

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimedia/video/Organic_boost.html?cid=989580

http://www.renewablelube.com/

http://www.ehow.com/list_7662700_motor-oil-alternatives-used-cars.html

http://www.green-trust.org/wordpress/2011/12/21/plant-based-lubricating-oils-biodegradable-and-ashless/

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04/18/2013 11:09 AM

Multimiles MM1 bio based engine oil

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04/18/2013 3:22 PM

No additive will do all that, the fact the additive eliminates the need to replace the oil filter is a dead giveaway that this is likely some sort of scam.

Can you provide a link?

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04/18/2013 10:46 PM

the oil is also the transfer medium for taking carbon particles etc from around the engine to the filter. If it is that good it disposes of these particles we are one step closer to a perpetual motion machine.

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04/19/2013 12:32 AM

- "Claims are: increase of power, adheres with the metal for better lubrication, improves the viscosity even the engine are due for change; no need for change oil, just refill the engine oil with the same plant based oil 4 times every year, no need for oil filter replacement, reduce smoke emission."

Lets see:

  1. increase power - the oil can't increase power directly, so it must imply that it improves the lubrication by orders of magnitude, to give you a measurable improvement of power... really?
  2. adheres with the metal - you don't want it to adhere but to coat, which all regular oils do.
  3. improves viscosity - if you actually need that (worn engine?) you can get a higher viscosity regular oil or better yet a synthetic one. Regular oils have their own formulated additives that break down after a while so they lose viscosity, and the claim above seems to imply that this additive will restore what was lost. That may be, but can you be sure?
  4. no need for oil change - All oils will ultimately suffer breakdown chemical changes and contamination with combustion byproducts, so this seems like a preposterous claim.
  5. no need for oil filter replacement - see #4 above.
  6. reduces smoke emission - it won't do anything for fuel-combustion emissions; if you are burning oil due to worn engine, see #3 above.

So, it looks like appropriate regular oil and filter changes will do everything your car really needs. Wait! isn't that what the car's user manual says?...

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04/19/2013 5:17 AM

I didn't believe the claims when I first saw the ad, but I thought I'd give it a try. Okay, here's the results.

I've had this magic stuff in my engine for almost 125,000 miles. It feels more powerful than before. I haven't changed the oil since I put it in (I put it in my BMW M3 at around 20,000 miles and now I have 145,000 miles). I do have to add it four times per year. I haven't touched the oil filter. I never had smoke and still don't.

It's amazing stuff. I haven't taken my car in for service in the 125,000 miles - not even for spark plugs, coolant, power steering, a/c recharge, shocks, brakes, tires, alignment or transmission service. I typically pay $125 for an oil change and I know the 50K, 75K, 100K and 125K service should be well over $5,000 total. Add to this the fact that I've saved 5 additional oil changes at $125/pop = $625. My friend gets 20K miles on his M3 tires, but I've never changed my in 145K miles. Someone told me to put this stuff in my gas tank as an additive. Since I've done it, I now get nearly 100 mpg on my car. I can drive it over 150 mph and I still get 85 mpg! In fact, my top speed prior to the treatment was 155 mph. Now my car will go 194 mph. My 0-60 time was 5.2 seconds before the treatment. Now my 0-60 time is 2.9 second. It also did something to my exhaust system. It had a nice rumble before, but now it's dead silent. Even at full throttle, it's quiet.

At $4 per treatment, this stuff is worth every penny!

I did a chemical and DNA test on it and whoever said it's coconut oil is wrong. Ditto for corn oil, vegetable oil, canola oil, saffron oil, olive oil or peanut oil. It is a rare oil from areas of Africa. Natives fear trying to harvest the oil, as there is a danger of death. I've heard that they've found some of it in Florida as of late, due to the species relocating and thriving in what is a similar climate. Typical size is 15-20 feet, but some are known to grow to over 1000 feet - unconfirmed rumors on the internet. The official name is P.sebaean, but I've heard that P.molurusian will also work as well.

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04/19/2013 9:01 AM

Very funny!!!

You had me going for a few seconds until I caught on

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04/19/2013 11:36 PM

I had to do it!

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04/19/2013 3:48 PM

If I put a half dozen of those things that improve mileage 20 to 25% on my car then leave on a 500 mile trip with a full gas tank, how often do I have to stop to empty the tank and how much does the government pay me for the road dis-use tax since it is based on fuel consumed? -- JHF

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04/21/2013 12:26 AM

Great comment Miklosh!

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While everything else is spot-on, your 1st comment is not quite up to par with the rest. In some of the cars I have had there is a clearly discernible difference in fuel economy and acceleration when motor oil is changed from the heaviest to lightest (or vise versa) weight (factory recommended, of course) motor oil.

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While I don't accept any of the claims made by the OP, motor oil can certainly have an effect on available power and efficiency.

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04/19/2013 3:13 AM

Plant-based, I do not know but an old farmer I knew, made a crankshaft for a "Hornsby" tipe engine, used a very hard type of wood for the bearings and the lubrication he used was ostridge fat! It stays a liqued.

He ran it on wood gas driving a water pump.

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04/19/2013 9:12 AM

What? No liquid Teflon?

No small gas engine runnning without oil?

In a place where facts are fluid all sorts of things are possible.

Unfortunately I live in reality so I think I'll keep my 5w40 engine oil thank you.

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04/19/2013 10:09 AM

There have been thousands of these claims over the 100+ year history of the automobile. Think about what you are saying - old worn out rings = gas in the oil = reduced viscosity and lubricity. Wear particles = plugged filter, bypass opens, lets particles into engine = more wear = more wear particles.

Are car makers in cahoots with oil companies by saying oil and filter changes are needed as often as they are? Who knows, but if you look in an engine that has not had oil and filter changes often enough, you can see the effect.

The most long lived engines have regular oil and filter changes and get fully warmed up in each operation cycle. "Short Trip" driving and lack of maintenance = short engine life.

Just my opinion after 50+ years of running vehicles and fleets. Go ahead and dump on me. ( I have no patience for the story about one guy that ran a half a million miles with no oil change, no maintenance and usually on only a half a tank of gas.) -- JHF

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04/19/2013 10:13 AM

In otherwords....

Just another snake oil salesman!

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04/19/2013 11:43 AM

improves the viscosity

If this is true, then it will cut your gas mileage. Years ago people with worn out rings would put STP oil treatment in with their oil. It was a very viscous oil and was claimed to coat the pistons so that there was less blow-by (less smoke and oil usage). It may have worked, but was more expensive that regular oil.

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04/19/2013 11:41 PM

I remember STP - is it still around? A friend of mine had a 1979 Pontiac Grand Prix with a 301 Cu In Pontiac V-8. It was close to 100K miles and my friend almost never changed the oil, but he would add STP - we'd joke that he was putting in the magic honey! Thick, slippery stuff! In Chicago wintery weather, it was hard to get out of the can!

Funny thing is that the engine didn't blow. My sister had the same engine in her 1981 Firebird and with regular oil changes, the engine blew at under 50K miles.

Go figure!

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04/20/2013 3:00 AM

"put STP oil treatment in their oil"

Back around that time I worked in a wire drawing company. One of the guys I worked with kept his engine running by using 140 wt wire drawing lube in his motor. I hate to think just how loose that motor had to be to get away with it.

Smoked a bit too!!

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04/19/2013 5:51 PM

40 years ago I was introduced to a product from BG products in Kansas called MOA...it is a very effective wear reducer/ antiseize additive. I use it in everything I own. I cracked a VW crankcase on the Alcan, lost all oil pressure, drove it appx. 40 miles with no oil, patched it with epoxy at the next station, added oil, drove it all summer around Alaska and back to Colo. I've used it with every oil change ever since. It contains a 'long chain zinc' compound that effectively burnishes wear particles back. Very effective around the shop also. Plant based oils burn nicely in my 7.3 diesel and 540 case diesel, can't immagine putting them in the crankcase...send me a sample and I'll run the same tests I did on MOA.

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04/19/2013 11:46 PM

For all you old timers out there, remember back to the late 70's when Texaco came up with that black can of Graphite motor oil. It failed miserably and caused more damage to the engine vs regular oil.

I think the best way to maintain an engine is regular oil changes with the oil viscosity recommended by the manufacturer. Synthetic doesn't hurt either, but if you have leaky gaskets, don't do it or they'll leak worse.

FYI, a few years ago I had a client with a Toyota Tacoma regular cab 4 cylinder manual trans pickup with 621,000 miles on it and the engine was never apart. He used it for his delivery business and ran it like crazy. I was impressed!

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